3D modelling on the Computer

Post by **hansolo** » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:14 am

Hi Guys,

At the moment I'm on holiday and not in the position to buy or build models.
So the next best thing is to build a model in 3D!

So I started building a Panzer III in my 3D application: Cinema 4D.
I will be posting the progress here.

Dear Administrators: Would it be a good idea to have a topic dedicated to 3D modeling?
I already made a Schwimmwagen and a Stuart Tank in 3D and we could share the files with each other.

So here is the progress of my Panzer III.
I just started on the hull and the mud guards.

Post by **hansolo** » Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:41 am

Post by **Lee** » Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:28 am

Different mate

Post by **hansolo** » Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:30 am

Lee wrote:Different mate

Explain, Lee.

cheers

Post by **Lee** » Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:44 am

Different is good

Post by **hansolo** » Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:00 pm

Jep. Gotta do something.

Post by **hansolo** » Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:19 pm

Post by **hansolo** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:32 pm

Post by **hansolo** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:01 pm

Post by **Lee** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:30 pm

I bet that takes you longer that building it normally too...lol

Post by **hansolo** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:37 pm

Yep!

This way I have to construct every part, instead of just glueing them together.
But it's also fun to do. It doesn't beat the real thing though..

cheers

Post by **PugmooG** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:24 pm

hansolo wrote:Hi Guys,

At the moment I'm on holiday and not in the position to buy or build models.
So the next best thing is to build a model in 3D!

So I started building a Panzer III in my 3D application: Cinema 4D.
I will be posting the progress here.

Dear Administrators: Would it be a good idea to have a topic dedicated to 3D modeling?
I already made a Schwimmwagen and a Stuart Tank in 3D and we could share the files with each other.

So here is the progress of my Panzer III.
I just started on the hull and the mud guards.

Yeah great idea I have a thread on 3D Printing/modelling called "Modelling not as we know it". I hope to be adding to it soon. I know it's not traditional modelling but I could see it building (no pun intended) in to a interesting thread

Post by **hansolo** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 5:37 pm

Post by **PugmooG** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:12 pm

Looking good Han "Old Buddy"

Post by **hansolo** » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:20 am

Post by **hansolo** » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:54 am

Post by **hansolo** » Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:24 pm

Post by **hansolo** » Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:30 pm

PugmooG wrote:
hansolo wrote:Hi Guys,

At the moment I'm on holiday and not in the position to buy or build models.
So the next best thing is to build a model in 3D!

So I started building a Panzer III in my 3D application: Cinema 4D.
I will be posting the progress here.

Dear Administrators: Would it be a good idea to have a topic dedicated to 3D modeling?
I already made a Schwimmwagen and a Stuart Tank in 3D and we could share the files with each other.

So here is the progress of my Panzer III.
I just started on the hull and the mud guards.
Yeah great idea I have a thread on 3D Printing/modelling called "Modelling not as we know it". I hope to be adding to it soon. I know it's not traditional modelling but I could see it building (no pun intended) in to a interesting thread

Can't find your thread. Where should I look?

cheers

Post by **PugmooG** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:15 am

Hi Han, It's in "Modelling Works In Progress/Everything Else/it's not modelling as we know it" Sorry I got the title wrong in my last post. You'll find now I hope! Sorry for the late post!
Here's a link http://intscalemodeller.com/viewforum.php?f=43

Post by **hansolo** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:14 am

Disaster struck!

I had some serious bad luck with my 3D Panzer. My laptop crashed and corrupted the 3D file!!
I had to start all over again!!
After a day or 2 I picked up the courage to do so. And I'm almost where I was a few days ago.

Will be posting again when I'm beyond that point.

cheers

Post by **PugmooG** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:45 pm

Ouch! most 3D software will create a backup file in the event of a crash. Try this link http://www.c4dcafe.com/ipb/topic/59163- ... save-file/
Hope it helps!?

Post by **hansolo** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:01 pm

Jep. I changed the prefs so that the app creates backups every 5 minutes.
And I'm up to speed again.
And here's the new Panzer III

cheers

Post by **martin57** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:12 pm

I no nothing about 3d modeling but in looks like it could be fun

Post by **hansolo** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:17 pm

martin57 wrote:I no nothing about 3d modeling but in looks like it could be fun

It is. You should give it a try!

cheers

Post by **PugmooG** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:21 pm

Excellent progress

Han if possible could you post a wireframe render so I can see the construction?

Post by **PaulAyrey** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:25 pm

Wow that's cool. Looks great!

Post by **hansolo** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:04 pm

PaulAyrey wrote:Wow that's cool. Looks great!

Thanks Paul!

Still a work in progress....
Lots of details still to add.

But it feels good to see this thing come to life slowly but shurely.

cheers

Post by **hansolo** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:21 pm

PugmooG wrote: Excellent progress Han if possible could you post a wireframe render so I can see the construction?

No problem. Here's a wireframe screendump:

cheers

Post by **PugmooG** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:49 pm

Really nice Han, I don't want to think what Quad/Poly count is going to be!

Post by **mannloon** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:23 am

Not bad man. This is what I do for a living. Currently I'm teaching people how to do this actually. So when I get done with work the last thing I want to see is a modeling package. I was working on a tank just for fun a while back that I've posted here before. I work in 3DS Max making video game models by the way. So this is a screen of a high poly Tiger I that is/was to be used to bake down to a low poly game model. The high shown here is I think at 13 million tris or so with the turbosmooths on.

Post by **hansolo** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:00 am

PugmooG wrote:Really nice Han, I don't want to think what Quad/Poly count is going to be!

You can't count that high!

Cheers

Post by **hansolo** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:09 am

mannloon wrote:Not bad man. This is what I do for a living. Currently I'm teaching people how to do this actually. So when I get done with work the last thing I want to see is a modeling package. I was working on a tank just for fun a while back that I've posted here before. I work in 3DS Max making video game models by the way. So this is a screen of a high poly Tiger I that is/was to be used to bake down to a low poly game model. The high shown here is I think at 13 million tris or so with the turbosmooths on.

Wow! That is one amazingly well crafted Tiger I!
Very nice!
Could I get the 3ds file? Or is this work property?
I will give you my file but it's not finnished yet. Can give it to you when it's done too.

Cheers

Post by **mannloon** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:42 pm

Well it's not for work, but I've never had any one ask for my file before. If it's for curiosity or learning I wouldn't have a problem with that.

Post by **AchtungPanzer** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:55 pm

Eh Guys this it is like sex with rubber doll....

However, i traditional crop models

Post by **hansolo** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:26 pm

AchtungPanzer wrote:Eh Guys this it is like sex with rubber doll.... However, i traditional crop models

I'm going to have to take your word for it.

cheers

Post by **hansolo** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:29 pm

Post by **mannloon** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:56 pm

Closer look at how the turret detail is built, with the smooths on anyway.

Post by **hansolo** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:33 pm

Amazing detail. Looking good.

Cheers

Post by **PugmooG** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:28 pm

Very nice Mannloon

What texturing/camo are you going for, are you going to incoperate Quixel ndo/dDo mapping? Would be nice to see!

Post by **mannloon** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:11 pm

Honestly, if I got around to finishing her and a low poly I might. But as I teach texturing and what we call "advanced surfacing" which is essentially creating a dDo like look by hand, I might just texture her that way. I'm honestly still trying to figure out how to control dDo. nDo is becoming part of my regular workflow in cases where Crazybump doesn't make sense. But man, I haven't had the time to dig in to dDo properly, and if you haven't it's a confusing workflow. Mostly to do with set up and scale of things like chips and grime. My colleague and I are planning to write up a class around it in the fall, so I'm sure I'll get good with it then.

This was to be a Tiger 131 camo though. It's an early Tiger with initial Fiefel filters, so probably DAK. Also DAK stuff looks less offensive somehow to people not in the know.

Post by **mannloon** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:17 pm

Was thinking about other types of models I've done that I could show. Most of my stuff is NDA boring stuff anyway. This was from way back when I was in school, it's an environment model for like a screensaver/save the oceans thing Richard Branson had going called "the Blu" which ran in Unity. They gave me the freedom to choose what I wanted so I said the wreck of U-534. The texture is awful, but much like my older scale models, we all start somewhere.

Post by **mannloon** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:43 pm

Apparently I like talking about this stuff. So I thought I'd show a few topology shots. I'm curious how you build things hansolo, so here's an example of how I build in Max.

The one on the left is with turbosmooth applied, 2 iterations, isoline display. Which is pretty much how everything I build goes, unless of course it requires 3 iterations if it's like a cylinder or something.

Same here, smoothed on left, unsmoothed on right. These aren't high and low models, this is just smoothed and unsmoothed high. This sprocket piece is actually not how I prefer to model, but for whatever reason I made that huge number of sides on the sprocket teeth. I guess I didn't want to use an array around the wheel for some reason or another.

The bolts and other detail not seen would be added in nDo

Post by **PugmooG** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:20 pm

mannloon wrote:Apparently I like talking about this stuff. So I thought I'd show a few topology shots. I'm curious how you build things hansolo, so here's an example of how I build in Max.

The one on the left is with turbosmooth applied, 2 iterations, isoline display. Which is pretty much how everything I build goes, unless of course it requires 3 iterations if it's like a cylinder or something.

Same here, smoothed on left, unsmoothed on right. These aren't high and low models, this is just smoothed and unsmoothed high. This sprocket piece is actually not how I prefer to model, but for whatever reason I made that huge number of sides on the sprocket teeth. I guess I didn't want to use an array around the wheel for some reason or another.

The bolts and other detail not seen would be added in nDo

Agreed Mannloon, given the medium I work in as you know! the poly/quad constraints put on the LOD even within current game engines is paramount. Got to squeeze every bit/byte out of models and textures alike. I envy the guy's who work in post prod/special effects with little or no constraint who can model at free will

I would be very interested in seeing your results using the Quixel!?

Post by **hansolo** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:16 am

mannloon wrote:Apparently I like talking about this stuff. So I thought I'd show a few topology shots. I'm curious how you build things hansolo, so here's an example of how I build in Max.

The one on the left is with turbosmooth applied, 2 iterations, isoline display. Which is pretty much how everything I build goes, unless of course it requires 3 iterations if it's like a cylinder or something.

Same here, smoothed on left, unsmoothed on right. These aren't high and low models, this is just smoothed and unsmoothed high. This sprocket piece is actually not how I prefer to model, but for whatever reason I made that huge number of sides on the sprocket teeth. I guess I didn't want to use an array around the wheel for some reason or another.

The bolts and other detail not seen would be added in nDo

The way I model those details is very simular to what you do. Its called differend though. I start with a cube or other basic form and add lines and polygons. Than I take a hypernerb and put it in there. That is what smooths the surfaces and rounds the edges.

Cheers

Post by **mannloon** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:55 pm

hypernurb? This is in C4D you said? I wonder if that's like NURMS in Max.

Post by **hansolo** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:23 pm

mannloon wrote:hypernurb? This is in C4D you said? I wonder if that's like NURMS in Max.

Could be. I no nothing about max. Except that I can import 3ds files into Cinema.

Cheers

Post by **hansolo** » Sun Aug 24, 2014 2:04 pm