Tiger question: Tunisia 504 unit markings color?

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Tiger question: Tunisia 504 unit markings color?

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Hi guys, so Im building up my Tamiya DAK Tiger 1. Going along nicely, out of the box build, mostly (this is my first one in 20 years).

I have a question on picking the right color of the unit markings on the turret. After using extensive research on internet, including tiger.info and tiif.de.

In 504 Tunisian unit, they had 20 tigers (initial production, no tracks on lower glacis, etc).

The cables in the model are ends to front, so not all models can be build. What we are left with are the following that sort of match (if we ignore the fact that front plate hook holes are wrong):

Tigers 121 (Lt Vermehren command), 131 and 731 (Norbert) all work fine. 813 (former 131) is a bit off though (needs wide folding mudguards I believe according to tiger.info). I am not sure I want either of them because they are all done to death by others and there are ton of pics. SO anyone who wants to have an opinion will say this is wrong or that is wrong.

So I looked through the rest of the options, and found other models that can be built using this kit and numbers supplied.

They are:
02 (white numbers only)
11 (white or red numbers are possible) - commander tank
211 or 811 (white and red respectively)
1 (white or red)
21 (white only).

Now, my question and thanks if you read down this far is: What color was 02, 11, 211, 1, 21? Any educated guesses? Those single number tanks especially, red or white? I understand they came with white ones first (started with 1) but then were later absorbed into the 10th army brigade and became 7.. and 8.. and numbers were red. However I saw some pics of 111 Tunisia tank with all red numbers, and this confused me. Also 211 starts with 2, and is I thought supposed to be 501st brigade which had Tiger E version (bovington). But their sources clearly state that 211 (later 811) was in fact an initial Tiger!

Any tiger pros here who can help me out?

For the record, I am leaning towards 11 as it is a number of the house I live in which might be fitting to have the Tiger bear that number. :D
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Re: Tiger question: Tunisia 504 unit markings color?

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504th had standard looking tigers but so did 501 in that some had later style front fenders like tiger 712 captured by the Americans. As to numeral color it's all guess work. Anything Byrden or the guys on Tiif have said is beyond my level of tiger nerd. Since there is no way to get color information from a grayscale image we have to go with our gut and personal preference.

Can I see the ref of this tank?
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Re: Tiger question: Tunisia 504 unit markings color?

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mannloon wrote:504th had standard looking tigers but so did 501 in that some had later style front fenders like tiger 712 captured by the Americans. As to numeral color it's all guess work. Anything Byrden or the guys on Tiif have said is beyond my level of tiger nerd. Since there is no way to get color information from a grayscale image we have to go with our gut and personal preference.

Can I see the ref of this tank?

Sure. http://tiger1.info/tank-page/A2B

As it says: "This Tiger belonged to the commander of the 1st Company. It was destroyed at Hunt's Gap."

Thats all I know so far. In a way, less pics the better because that allows me to be less wrong with rebuilding it, if it makes sense.

From what I see it has a white band near the muzzle. If it is a commander's tank, are there some specifics about it that one must keep in mind? Like I know later thay had these funky antennas for example, did this one have it? The number 11 is not seen in any pics I gathered.

Right here I can see 1 on the turret, looks like a white contour only?
https://www.rctankwarfare.co.uk/forums/ ... d8f921e0e4
oh and turret bin in missing!

here the tank has red markings: http://tiif.de/bilder/zwischen101200.jpg (from tiif.de) but this is also confusing as even 121 and 131 are red which are white in other photos (for 501st). You can see where confusion comes. I can do luckily either of them in red or white. Also this pic missing white painted band around the end of a barrel.
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