Airfix 1/24 Bf 109 E

Post by **Stokesy44** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:49 pm

Beautiful pre-shade mate. As for colours, green and grey are good, brown not so much. Most Luftwaffe aircraft at that time were green/grey camo with a light blue underside. Be careful with the colours though, don't go too dark.

Post by **Johnj** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:15 am

Stokesy44 wrote:Beautiful pre-shade mate. As for colours, green and grey are good, brown not so much. Most Luftwaffe aircraft at that time were green/grey camo with a light blue underside. Be careful with the colours though, don't go too dark.

Had another look in the paint stash and found the perfect grey to compliment the green. I feel a bit happier now

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I appreciate your input thanks

Post by **1975GinjaNinja** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:51 am

I just used the rlm listing of the colours for my paint as scheme on the 1:48 version. These where rlm 70 and 71 which are both quite dark, black green and dark green. Have to say, though, with my limited research trying to find pictures of this paint scheme - there where an awful lot of variations on the theme. Looking at your model it definitely represents a totally different plane to the one I'm struggling along with so I would probably ignore any colour choices I make.

Post by **Johnj** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:22 am

Your right nigel, there are so many variations it's hard to keep up. I'm not a hardcore scale buff so i'll just paint it so it's pleasing to the eye. I think by the time the markings, stencils, washes and weathering are done it will look ok.

Post by **Stokesy44** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:09 am

Really enjoying how you approach the colours. Its good to be accurate but at the end of the day its your kit and you have a picture of how you want it to look in your mind. The fun is getting it to that point.

Got to say, so far Vader would say - Impressive, most impressive.

Post by **Johnj** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:19 pm

Lol thanks

I managed to get some paint on the bottom of the wings. Happy so far.

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Post by **Johnj** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:23 pm

The pre-shading is not heavy enough for the darker top colours but it's something learned for the next one.

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Post by **Johnj** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:24 pm

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Post by **1975GinjaNinja** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:10 pm

Well it looks like a very clean paint job to me. Wish I'd got one of those canopy masks must remember for my next one as well.

Keep going.

Post by **gazmat** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:25 pm

Hey John, I haven't been here for a while....looking good, your further than me now...lol, Think Im going down the post shading route now, I really could not be bothered with the pre to be honest.
I will get some pictures up this week, but yours is definitely coming along nicely.

Post by **Johnj** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:58 pm

Nigel, the canopy masks were quite good and they were only about £6 but the set also comes with the masks for the insignia ! Unfortunatly the paint/primer has pulled off in places so i might just use the decals from the kit.

Gaz, i've been at it solid from friday evening, i just need it finished now, that'll be three weeks tommoro ! Please feel free to post your progress i tend to slow up during the week.

Post by **Johnj** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:03 pm

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Still some touch up to be done.

gaz, i dont know if i'd do the pre-shading again as i'll need to post shade anyway. The pre-shading took about two hours !

Post by **Johnj** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:29 pm

The primer is pulling up all over the place. The whole model was flattened with 800 and i'm as sure as i can be it didnt go on too dry.

masked up for the yellow, i used the tape on the palm of the hand trick to the point that if i sneezed it would all blow off !

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Post by **Johnj** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:33 am

It's gonna take enough yellow paint to sink a battle ship to cover the pre-shading......another lesson learned

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Post by **1975GinjaNinja** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:10 pm

Yep, I went through a fair bit of yellow on my 1/48 to cover the pre shading, can only imagine on the 1/24. As you say we live and learn.
Looking like nice.

Post by **Johnj** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:23 pm

Yeah, i think i'm going to thicken the paint a bit. I didnt have any XF-3 left so i had to add the flat base to the X-8 and i think i over did it. If you look at it in a certain light it looks like a layer of frost ! Anybody that has overdone it will know what i mean.

I think i'll add another half ml of orange as well to darken it slightly.
Cars and bikes are sssooooo much easier !

Post by **1975GinjaNinja** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:26 pm

I chickened out of having to do any paint mixing and went and bought the Mr Hobby colours. they went on really nicely but the yellow definitely needed a few more coats than the others.

Post by **Johnj** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:10 am

Nigel1975 wrote:I chickened out of having to do any paint mixing and went and bought the Mr Hobby colours. they went on really nicely but the yellow definitely needed a few more coats than the others.

I usually only build tamiya kit's and quite often they call for paint to be mixed so i'm quite familiar with it. I usually mix around 6ml to fit in an empty tamiya jar incase mix comes out again. The one that comes to mind is the grey/semi gloss black for the ducati 1199 that i think i'll use for the prop on the 109.

Post by **Johnj** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:16 am

The mottled effect on the side doesnt really show up that well in the pic but it looks ok in the flesh !

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Post by **Johnj** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:17 am

Really happy with the fit of the engine cowls.

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Post by **Johnj** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:45 pm

Is this the 'future clear' that everybody seems to use before the decals ?

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STASH · Post by **Cymru** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:11 pm

Yup!

Post by **Johnj** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:41 pm

Cymru wrote:Yup!

I was hoping you would say no. I've been trying to use it all day and at best it semi gloss and very patchy. I'm waiting on some alclad aqua gloss but was hoping the future would let me get on

Post by **Johnj** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:03 pm

I spent most of yesterday trying to apply the future gloss coat but after many coats it was at best semi gloss and quite patchy, i ended up blasting it with tamiya X-22 and it's still not that glossy as the matt base colour is soaking up paint like a sponge !
The alclad aqua gloss arrived today but i've a funny feeling i cant put the alclad over the tamiya acrylic ? HELP !!!!!

Post by **Johnj** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:04 pm

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STASH · Post by **Cymru** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:30 pm

Just give it 24hrs to dry & your good to go with the Alclad

Post by **Johnj** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:40 pm

Cymru wrote:Just give it 24hrs to dry & your good to go with the Alclad

Ah, thank you

how long after the alclad gloss can i apply the decals ?

Post by **1975GinjaNinja** » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:07 am

Sorry for not answering questions bit instead along more....

I'm almost upto the gloss coat myself, first one ever and thinking of using already aqua gloss as well. Just wanted to know how you applied it? Was it several thin coats?

By the way the colour scheme is looking great.

STASH · Post by **Cymru** » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:29 am

Johnj wrote:
Cymru wrote:Just give it 24hrs to dry & your good to go with the Alclad
Ah, thank you how long after the alclad gloss can i apply the decals ?

24hrs should do it

STASH · Post by **Cymru** » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:32 am

Nigel1975 wrote:I'm almost upto the gloss coat myself, first one ever and thinking of using already aqua gloss as well. Just wanted to know how you applied it? Was it several thin coats?

Yes, apply a couple of thin coats then leave it & check on it after an hour, apply more coats until your happy.

Post by **Johnj** » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:38 am

Cymru wrote:
Johnj wrote:
Cymru wrote:Just give it 24hrs to dry & your good to go with the Alclad
Ah, thank you how long after the alclad gloss can i apply the decals ?
24hrs should do it

Again, thank you. The decals are really old, i just hope they're ok.

nige, i used the 0.5 nozzle airbrush. I'm not sure how many coats as it dries very quickly and i just kept going over it untill it was glossy enough.

Post by **Johnj** » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:41 am

Ah, sorry. Posted that after Cymru's reply

Post by **Davethepitch** » Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:37 pm

I had a problem with a Tomcat years ago where the cockpit joined the fuselage.

Post by **gazmat** » Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:44 pm

Looking good John, will get round to putting those pics up, promise....your nose fitting has come out well.

Post by **Johnj** » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:16 pm

gazmat wrote:Looking good John, will get round to putting those pics up, promise....your nose fitting has come out well.

Yeah, no worries

i have been on a mission trying to get this finished. I do appreciate i probably get more time for this than most with young family, work and other interests.
i've spent this evening applying the decals so hopefully over the weekend i can have it finished 100% at long last !!!!!!

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Post by **gazmat** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:30 pm

Again looking good John, mines a slightly different colour variation, no yellow tips on mine....I have plenty of evening time, but this has sort given me a lost mo-jo, I will see it through, probably a another 2 weeks will see the back end of it.
I also bought the Airfix Stuka at the same time, that was going to be next, but no way now, back to Tamiya I think to get the mo-jo back I hope.

Post by **Johnj** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:55 pm

gazmat wrote:Again looking good John, mines a slightly different colour variation, no yellow tips on mine....I have plenty of evening time, but this has sort given me a lost mo-jo, I will see it through, probably a another 2 weeks will see the back end of it.
I also bought the Airfix Stuka at the same time, that was going to be next, but no way now, back to Tamiya I think to get the mo-jo back I hope.

Thank you

Yeah, i feel exactly the same. I was in hobby craft today for some bits n pieces and i had my hand on the hurricane but i knew what lay ahead and just couldnt face it again ! Like you, back to tamiya. I still have the mustang, mosquito and lancaster in the pile. I'm planning to get all the tamiya 1/32 aircraft kit's (not every varient though)
The yellow tipped version came with the canopy mask set and just looked a bit different

Post by **1975GinjaNinja** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:53 pm

I.went and bought my first tamoya kit today. A V-1 flying bomb. A grand total of 15 pieces! Love it.

Post by **PeterSkelton** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:47 am

Isn't the Hurricane a new tool and supposedly a better build?

STASH · Post by **Cymru** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:21 am

PeterSkelton wrote:Isn't the Hurricane a new tool and supposedly a better build?

Sadly not, the kit was tooled in 1973

Post by **Johnj** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:41 am

Nigel1975 wrote:I.went and bought my first tamoya kit today. A V-1 flying bomb. A grand total of 15 pieces! Love it.

Nige ! Thats your first tamiya ? You realise you've done it now !!!!!! There's no way back

Post by **Stokesy44** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:45 pm

Cymru wrote:
PeterSkelton wrote:Isn't the Hurricane a new tool and supposedly a better build?
Sadly not, the kit was tooled in 1973

If you're after one, Trumpeter's 1/24 Hurricanes are meant to be light years ahead of the old Airfix kit. I have the IIc (Trop) in the stash and it looks lovely.

Post by **gazmat** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:34 pm

I still have the mustang, mosquito and lancaster in the pile. I'm planning to get all the tamiya 1/32 aircraft kit's (not every varient though)

I have a few, and made a couple of the 32's, but think the mo-jo needs something smaller and quicker....

keep forgetting those photo's..

Post by **Johnj** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:45 pm

gazmat wrote:
I still have the mustang, mosquito and lancaster in the pile. I'm planning to get all the tamiya 1/32 aircraft kit's (not every varient though)

I have a few, and made a couple of the 32's, but think the mo-jo needs something smaller and quicker.... keep forgetting those photo's..

I think once you finish the awfull 109 your mo-jo will come storming back. I've been feeling the same and as im all but done with it i already feel better and looking forward to the next. Just the final matt coat and remove the canopy masks and thats it, 100% done WOOHOO !!!!!!!!!

Post by **Johnj** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:51 pm

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Post by **Johnj** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:53 pm

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Post by **Johnj** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:00 pm

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I'm pleased with the end result but glad all that filling and fitting is done with. I'm also glad i didnt bin it, but it came really close a few times. As ever guys, thank you to all who contributed to this thread with help, comments and a voice of reason at times ! Thanks guys

Post by **gazmat** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:03 pm

..... You really have done a superb job on that John, despite being an awkward g@t of a plane...well done mate.

Post by **shortCummins** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:19 pm

in spite of the kit you've turned out a really nice model

rgds
John(shortCummins)

Post by **1975GinjaNinja** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:56 pm

That looks amazing. Really like the detail in the cockpit and that prop nose cone is great.

Well done.