The Forum Troll that is Adam Mann

Post by **Paul** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:27 am

Myself and Lee try our best not to air our dirty laundry in public but from time to time it happens, and as members of the forum, Facebook and you tube channel we would rather keep you in the loop.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ THIS SKIP PAST THIS POST AND HAVE A GOOD DAY.

For the past few months ISM forum and our You tube channel has been getting spammed by a rather sick individual Called Adam Mann. He has a particular problem with myself and Lee using the forum (that we pay for) to advertise and promote Ultimate products. Apparently its wrong to recommended our products to people when say they ask what primer or thinner should they use.

Adam Mann started off trying to cause trouble by complaining about various things, saying our new magazine looked rubbish and also trying to get a rise out of me on the forum by trolling any comment I made. He was given 4 warnings and eventually banned from the forum. Since then he has been rejoining the forum under a proxy (fake) IP address and as he isn't the sharpest tool in the box under his own still. He has since shared a number of Gay porn pictures which he has spent time not only searching the internet for but also time photoshopping. He has openly shared these pictures on the forum for all to see including the women and kids that visit the forum. He also edited the ISM logo to say ISLAM which is all kinds of screwed up.

We've ignored all this and admined the forum as we could for months now in the hope he would get bored grow up and move on, but in lasts nights Live show he decided to give one of the Live show guys grief because they were promoting the forum, Ultimate etc.
Sadly for adam he did this in front of over 130 live show viewers who were also disgusted in his actions and they let their views known.

It was at this point that we thought this guy is seriously twisted and i outed him on the live show, for his actions

The most disturbing thing for me is the fact that this guy Adam Mann who is looking for, photo shoping and sharing gay porn and Islamic propaganda (thats the only word i can think of for that) in front of kids is also an instructor at a college. I know myself i wouldn't want this sicko anywhere need my kids and if it continues i will be contacting his place of work. I'll also contact armorama and kit maker network who this guy does reviews and articles for and lets see what they think too. I i wonder what Adam Wilder would think of being associated which this guy.

Im posting this to clear up whats been going on the for the last few months, if you've been unfortunate to see Adams Porn and trolling on the forum we do apologise we've tried our best to keep it and him of there'd out of your view but he seems intent on continuing this sick behaviour. We had to tighten security on the forum and a few new members accounts got deleted and others went unnoticed.

I noticed this morning he was claiming on his You tube channel to know nothing of whats happened including his rant on last nights show, sadly for Adam we have saved everything he has shared, pictures, posts all the trolls on you tube and last nights rant too (which ill share below) and the 130 live viewers who saw you do it will vouch for that too. Although this guy hates me he watches all 4 hours of the live shows then rants about them on the forum, i think adam must have some serious mental health issues and should maybe get some professional help.

The response below from Adam is directed towards Les as he was promoting ISM And Ultimate as we do on the live show, the other screenshot is from his you tube channel this morning. I've drawn a line through the profanity.

Like i say sorry for having to share this but we feel its important for people to know.

If you want to see the live moment this happened if you go to 2 hrs 43 minutes you can hear it for yourselves.
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Some of adams forum rants were he admits to watching and trolling the live show

Post by **kruno59** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:51 am

I haven't seen any of this but the photo shopping of gay pawn, presumably, replacing your picture with theirs is unacceptable and probably illegal given it it a serious form of harassment and character assassination.

If it were me and he continued after being told to do one last night I would report it to the police - be careful about going directly to his employer as you could end up with a legal battle on your hands - if in doubt get your own legal advise.

Either way this is disturbed behavior and others who have acted like this have been jailed.

Post by **rcfanuk** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:01 pm

I have to agree with the above, I'm sure that this is an offence and should be reported.
The guy obviously has issues as if you don't like a forum or product just don't go there.

Guys keep up the good work, and as for promoting your own products what else would you do, and you have countless customers who also agree otherwise you wouldn't still be here.

Steve, a very satisfied customer

Post by **Avgas** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:17 pm

Ditto.

Sad though. We make plastic kits, we're not finding a cure for cancer.

Post by **onemac** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:43 pm

I've said my bit on ISM Facebook but in a word - Police! Report him.

What I didn't say is that I use other products as well as Ultimate- we all make our own choices. I like it here but my buddy doesn't, it's a matter of opinion. Moving on......

Al

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:44 pm

High road mates, report the activities to the authorities.
He is playing the "wounded cheezie" where he turns from perpetrator to victim as you retaliate and is trying to goad you into doing something HE can report. Trying to get you in trouble is the MO
I remember reporting that rant about the magazine and saw the profanity laced attack on Les that came flying out of the blue so have seen stuff first hand

I use Ultimate stuff that I like and other products that work for me as well. I don't find Paul overly Ultimate biased, but if he is proud of his products and believes in them, why not say so?? This is ISM's stage so why would they not be promoting ISM products.
If I like something I use it, if it is crap I don't. I wouldn't hang around and pester the owner of the shop

Post by **Nev** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:55 pm

I too saw first hand the questionable images and was bloody thankful my four year old was not sitting next to me at the time

Let's put it this way I have unsubscribed from the gentleman's YouTube channel and am bloody disgusted with this sort of behaviour!!

Post by **kiwigav** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:55 pm

well done Paul. the more that know about such scum the better, let him not hide. You don't need to pay up in the swear jar, this is an exception, go buy another kit or your lad another toy instead.

I have said it so many times, but will repeat myself... I like the smooth tones of Les's voice pushing everything good about ISM,Live shows, Ultimate and everyone's YouTube channels, Thanks to Les my subs have started to grow again

You guys talking about your and other products is the best way for me to find out about such things, there is no better thing than word of mouth.
keep up the great work and I truly meant it when I say Thank You ! for making this an important part of my life and enjoyable at that

you guys rock

Post by **digger303** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:52 am

I saw the porn and wondered what it was all about. I am glad that it is all out in the open now. Report the fatherless person to the police cyber crime unit. That is totally unacceptable.
Stay away from his employer, it will cost you dearly if you do. Opening up the way for him to sue your ass off !

Sorry not going to waste my data limit to down load more than 2 hrs of video to watch some crazy guy start to rant.

As to you promoting your own products on your own show/forums....course your going to be enthusiastic.....it is to be expected, but there is more to the shows than just that.
Flory models .....All part and parcel of business....there are no friends in business, it is war. Customers will go where they want to.

keep up the good work

Post by **WMH** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:48 am

you should add his name to the forums banned list... that way he Ip can't be added to this or other forums phpBB have such list for Moderators and above to use

Post by **digger303** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:15 pm

with the advent of false names and virtual reality networks that hide isp addresses it is very hard to keep the nasties out.

Post by **JET** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:28 pm

I think everyone on ism should go to the armorama Facebook page and write a complaint about him working for them when he is such a detriment to the hobby community

Post by **Paul** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:18 pm

JET wrote:I think everyone on ism should go to the armorama Facebook page and write a complaint about him working for them when he is such a detriment to the hobby community

Thats my next step if it doesnt stop, I'm sure they will be very interested in hearing what he's been up to

Post by **Lysus** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:29 pm

What I want to know is what job does he have that affords him so much time to spend doing this?

In all honesty if a person can devote this much energy into something most rational people find to be unimportant it points to a psychological defect.

Post by **mungo1974** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:42 pm

And looking at his Facebook profile our darling little troll just got engaged before Christmas.... I wonder what the love of his life would make of his internet activities and skills with photoshop...

Ignoring him isn't working...then fight fire with fire.

Post by **63bp** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:59 pm

Post by **ForbesHutton** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:27 pm

mungo1974 wrote:And looking at his Facebook profile our darling little troll just got engaged before Christmas.... I wonder what the love of his life would make of his internet activities and skills with photoshop...

Ignoring him isn't working...then fight fire with fire.

She had her own, mostly unused account here. Either he used her account to post a rant, or she did it herself. "had" =past tense.

Post by **ForbesHutton** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:31 pm

Lysus wrote:What I want to know is what job does he have that affords him so much time to spend doing this?

In all honesty if a person can devote this much energy into something most rational people find to be unimportant it points to a psychological defect.

He seems to have enough income that he was able to buy a half dozen or more original panzer tracks (at $150-$200 each) on ebay, now he gets free models from kitmaker's and now he's set up an account so that people can donate money to his youtube channel. I do think he's on to something, this hobby would be a lot better if it was free....

Post by **Lysus** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:42 pm

ForbesHutton wrote:
Lysus wrote:What I want to know is what job does he have that affords him so much time to spend doing this?

In all honesty if a person can devote this much energy into something most rational people find to be unimportant it points to a psychological defect.
He seems to have enough income that he was able to buy a half dozen or more original panzer tracks (at $150-$200 each) on ebay, now he gets free models from kitmaker's and now he's set up an account so that people can donate money to his youtube channel. I do think he's on to something, this hobby would be a lot better if it was free....

Yeah, free would be great. Still don't think I'd waste my time with nonsense when I could be playing with all my free stuff.

And being happy I'm not a miserable sack.

Post by **Lysus** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:16 pm

Also, "Adam" means "man," so that means this name is literally Man Man.

Post by **digger303** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:30 am

Lysus wrote:Also, "Adam" means "man," so that means this name is literally Man Man.

A case of over compensating for being undersized on all fronts..... ADAM you have been measured and found wanting...

STASH · Post by **Cymru** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:43 pm

digger303 wrote:
Lysus wrote:Also, "Adam" means "man," so that means this name is literally Man Man.

A case of over compensating for being undersized on all fronts..... ADAM you have been measured and found wanting...

Post by **Tomcat64** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:24 pm

People never cease to baffle me...

Arguing with someone like this is like trying to play chess with a pigeon because it doesn't matter how good you are it'll just knock the pieces over, crap all over the board and then strut about like it won anyway...

It's your call Paul but if you've got the evidence then sending it to the authorities is the way I'd go although I'm not sure how effective it'll be across the borders involved.

Don't let them drag you down to their level.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:57 pm

Tomcat64 wrote:People never cease to baffle me...

Arguing with someone like this is like trying to play chess with a pigeon because it doesn't matter how good you are it'll just knock the pieces over, crap all over the board and then strut about like it won anyway...

It's your call Paul but if you've got the evidence then sending it to the authorities is the way I'd go although I'm not sure how effective it'll be across the borders involved.

Don't let them drag you down to their level.

I would agree
Lock this thread up and avoid the pile on and giving him ammunition
If you notice, he erases everything incriminating he posts thus proving his "innocence"

Post by **Lysus** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:32 pm

Agreed. Exposing his exploits to employers etc. can be seen as a form of doxxing and would play into the troll's hand. Keep the documentation, uphold the ban, and if he steps into threat territory you can try contacting authorities.

But for the forum, I'd lock it away and not look back.

Post by **digger303** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:12 pm

A wise man ( or lady ) once said..... never argue with an idiot cause they will always win by dragging you down to their level.

Post by **MarkVerploeg** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:28 pm

digger303 wrote:A wise man ( or lady ) once said..... never argue with an idiot cause they will always win by dragging you down to their level.

A wise member had that line in his signature
I don't remember who it was though

Post by **Matt58** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:53 am

Well all of the above post pretty much cover everything and I have been thing about a response the last couple of days.
Paul and Lee and the forum members This forum is a great place with good people willing to help with a great hobby. If you don't like it move on Mr. Mann and remember what go's around comes around. ISM Ultimate the live show crew you have my full support and you all are better than me cause I probably be in jail by now. Well I will leave it at that I think everyone knows what I mean I have trouble putting my thoughts in words.
But for some reason the song Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap keeps popping in my head.

Post by **digger303** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:48 pm

MarkVerploeg wrote:
digger303 wrote:A wise man ( or lady ) once said..... never argue with an idiot cause they will always win by dragging you down to their level.
A wise member had that line in his signature
I don't remember who it was though

Me either, but the line stuck in my head.

Post by **MarkVerploeg** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:54 pm

digger303 wrote:
MarkVerploeg wrote:
digger303 wrote:A wise man ( or lady ) once said..... never argue with an idiot cause they will always win by dragging you down to their level.
A wise member had that line in his signature
I don't remember who it was though

Me either, but the line stuck in my head.

Same here
It doesn't happen very fast but it did this time

Post by **S3PT1C** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:40 pm

great that this guy has been outed

. go to the police mate, its the only way he'll finally take notice, that he's not welcome here.
re Ultimate products. we all pick stuff that we want, whether its Ultimate or not. No reason for you not to promote yer own gear mate.

Post by **digger303** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:46 pm

yeah ....sue his bum off ( i did say something else).....take him to the cleaners. Must be poohing his pants with the ramifications of his actions and the response he's stirred up. You have a defamation case for sure. He sort to ruin your reputation ...that's grounds. As long as you can prove it was him and it sounds like you have all the evidence...sue his bum off !!

Post by **Patrik72** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:59 pm

How can this person be a teacher? He does not come off as very intellectual. Anyway, im sorry that ISM have to deal with this kind of garbage. Hang in there boys and don't let him get to you even if its tiring.

Post by **Lysus** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:33 pm

Patrik72 wrote:How can this person be a teacher?

There's jerks in every profession. Even teaching.

Post by **Willem** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:45 pm

Lysus wrote:
Patrik72 wrote:How can this person be a teacher?
There's jerks in every profession. Even teaching.

Never a more true statement uttered.

Post by **Lysus** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:10 pm

Willem wrote:
Lysus wrote:
Patrik72 wrote:How can this person be a teacher?
There's jerks in every profession. Even teaching.
Never a more true statement uttered.

Heh, and looking back, it should say "There are jerks..."

No pass for me

Post by **Augustus** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:04 am

Seems I missed all the fun!

Paul n all don't just use Ultimate stuff, they use others and tell you so. But how dare they promote their own products on their site, it's scandalous! Let's forget all the good stuff they do in their own time with their own money to help visitors to their forum, and to promote the hobby.

But seriously I think there must be something wrong with the wiring in his cannister. If he wants to disagree with something fair enough. But to go around posting photoshopped porno pics etc is just plain childish.

I've found some photos of him (not gay porn) online and they don't need to be photoshopped to be scary/funny. But I won't post them here for the health and sanity of others.

Post by **digger303** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:53 am

Augustus wrote:Seems I missed all the fun!

I've found some photos of him (not gay porn) online and they don't need to be photoshopped to be scary/funny. But I won't post them here for the health and sanity of others.

yes because there is more than one adam mann on facebook or in the world. Funny how he seems to have crawled away back to his hole without a whimper.

Post by **Augustus** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:16 am

digger303 wrote: yes because there is more than one adam mann on facebook or in the world. Funny how he seems to have crawled away back to his hole without a whimper.

I didn't get from FaceBook, I know they are the correct one, but as said I won't post cos I believe I'm (mostly) above that sort of thing.

Post by **SprueSurgeon** » Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:09 am

I think that if all is quiet then a line should be drawn under this, if he sees his name keep being posted it may just annoy him and start the whole thing off again, and i doubt ISM really want that, just my opinion.

Post by **SteveW** » Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:38 am

SprueSurgeon wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:09 am I think that if all is quiet then a line should be drawn under this, if he sees his name keep being posted it may just annoy him and start the whole thing off again, and i doubt ISM really want that, just my opinion.

Have to agree. I you keep going with it you bring yourself down to their level. Time to let it go I think.

Website · Post by **Panzermeister36** » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:47 pm

SteveW wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:38 am
SprueSurgeon wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:09 am I think that if all is quiet then a line should be drawn under this, if he sees his name keep being posted it may just annoy him and start the whole thing off again, and i doubt ISM really want that, just my opinion.
Have to agree. I you keep going with it you bring yourself down to their level. Time to let it go I think.

There we go, finally someone gets it! Bury the hatchet before the hatchet gets buried in someone. It's not worth it.