Wingnut Wings the 'Duelists' Felixstowe [early] and Hansa-Brandenburg

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Fri May 15, 2020 6:32 pm

Well first thing this morning the floats went on then the front guns went on along with a few more small parts, made up the rear gun mount has been assembled and painted and will be fitted after all the decals are on. Started to add the Lozenge decals working from the tail forward which is already transforming her I think.

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Post by **CygnusX1** » Fri May 15, 2020 7:05 pm

Really impressive build.
I particularly like the machine guns; fantastic detail on those. I think this is going to look awesome when it's done.

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Fri May 15, 2020 8:20 pm

Thanks for looking in and your comments Cygnus. I just love these kits

Post by **Stokesy44** » Fri May 15, 2020 10:20 pm

Looking good. The shape of these old planes really boggles the mind. And it looks so flimsy!

Really nice work

Post by **digger303** » Sat May 16, 2020 12:51 am

Hawkmoon wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 6:24 pm Thanks for looking in everyone and your comments

@ Digger there going for silly money right now the Junkers I just built was around the £80 mark its nearly double that now on fleabay. You up for that much beer M8

Probably not, but when there is a group it seems to go down quicker in any case I could always come back or trade up to Sambuca..

Really enjoying you put this one together Hawky your making it look a seamless (pun) build which they always are.

Post by **BigWall** » Sat May 16, 2020 1:42 am

It's really looking great and I would like to be put on the have a beer list please.

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Sat May 16, 2020 8:18 am

Stokesy44 wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 10:20 pm Looking good. The shape of these old planes really boggles the mind. And it looks so flimsy!

Really nice work

Yes they look like one bad move and they would break but they were suprisingly sturdy and took a lot of punishment. Thanks for looking in and your comments

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Sat May 16, 2020 8:27 am

digger303 wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 12:51 am
Hawkmoon wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 6:24 pm Thanks for looking in everyone and your comments

@ Digger there going for silly money right now the Junkers I just built was around the £80 mark its nearly double that now on fleabay. You up for that much beer M8
Probably not, but when there is a group it seems to go down quicker in any case I could always come back or trade up to Sambuca..

Really enjoying you put this one together Hawky your making it look a seamless (pun) build which they always are.

Thanks for the comments Digger, Sambuka and Tequila chasers sounds good but Rum ba ba's are off the menu. Looks like we may have a party going Bigwall has asked for an invite

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Sat May 16, 2020 6:02 pm

All the major decals are now on just a couple of dials to add. That leaves some final assembly left along with the rigging for tomorrow

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Post by **RangerNeil** » Sat May 16, 2020 8:17 pm

WOW!! Those lozenge decals really altered the appearance of this little gem (I must be honest - I thought for a moment you'd put the rudder on upside down!!

) I really like the outcome thus far -congratulations on a really excellent build!!

p.s. - on the subject of eBay - I was looking for something else today and some how - <cough, cough

> - ended up with a screen full of WNW kits. The one you are currently working on was up for £380!! I think if I paid that amount of money for a kit the wife would either kill me or lock the damned thing away in a safe deposit box!!

Post by **Stokesy44** » Sat May 16, 2020 10:11 pm

Beautiful work Sir. Love those colours.

Post by **Miiqqula** » Sat May 16, 2020 11:30 pm

Awesome job my friend!

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun May 17, 2020 12:34 am

I read a great article summarizing the WNW demise, if interested...

https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/ind ... SQ5SKvsDpQ

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Sun May 17, 2020 8:21 am

RangerNeil wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 8:17 pm WOW!! Those lozenge decals really altered the appearance of this little gem (I must be honest - I thought for a moment you'd put the rudder on upside down!! ) I really like the outcome thus far -congratulations on a really excellent build!!

p.s. - on the subject of eBay - I was looking for something else today and some how - <cough, cough > - ended up with a screen full of WNW kits. The one you are currently working on was up for £380!! I think if I paid that amount of money for a kit the wife would either kill me or lock the damned thing away in a safe deposit box!!

Thanks for looking in and your comments Neil

Yh there going for silly prices right now the Junkers D.1 I did not long back was around £80 retail but I saw one yesterday for nearly double that.

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Sun May 17, 2020 8:22 am

Stokesy44 wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 10:11 pm Beautiful work Sir. Love those colours.

Miiqqula wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 11:30 pm Awesome job my friend!

Thanks for looking in and your comments both

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Sun May 17, 2020 8:23 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 12:34 am I read a great article summarizing the WNW demise, if interested...

https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/ind ... SQ5SKvsDpQ

Thanks for that Scott a very interesting read

Post by **Stokesy44** » Sun May 17, 2020 9:34 am

Hawkmoon wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 8:23 am
Twokidsnosleep wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 12:34 am I read a great article summarizing the WNW demise, if interested...

https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/ind ... SQ5SKvsDpQ
Thanks for that Scott a very interesting read

Very good article but tough to read. Feel for the employees and the modellers out there who loved the kits being produced.

Post by **digger303** » Sun May 17, 2020 10:20 am

Hawkmoon wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 6:02 pm All the major decals are now on just a couple of dials to add. That leaves some final assembly left along with the rigging for tomorrow

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Man those are big A*s*d decals...

Great job on getting the decals down.

Really be watching how you do the rigging....I need to learn

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 12:34 am I read a great article summarizing the WNW demise, if interested...

https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/ind ... SQ5SKvsDpQ

Thanks for that Scott very enlightening and very sad.
The Exe's come across like idiots...

Post by **RangerNeil** » Sun May 17, 2020 10:25 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 12:34 am I read a great article summarizing the WNW demise, if interested...

https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/ind ... SQ5SKvsDpQ

That sucks - BIG time..

I really feel for the employees having gone through a similar process with Ford of Britain. Long story - suffice it to say the management in Köln were referred to as the Fourth Reich at the end. Putting bean counters with no passion for the product in charge of everything is the kiss of death!!
This certainly explains why the kits have jumped up into the realm of silly prices on places like eBay now. I guess all we can do is hope the tooling/moulds and data are sold off to another manufacturer and become available in the future. WnW had some amazing products lined up for the future - I would jave bought that HP 0/400 like a shot.

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Sun May 17, 2020 12:09 pm

Thanks everyone for looking in and your comments and I can only agree with you all too.

@ Digger there's not much in the way of rigging on the Brandenberg but Felix has a plethora of rigging as you will soon see

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Sun May 17, 2020 12:13 pm

The Brandenburg is finished, hers a couple of pics as the final reveal will include both models

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Helps when you add the prop

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Post by **Hawkmoon** » Sun May 17, 2020 6:10 pm

Felix is starting to come together with a start on the crew cabin

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Post by **RangerNeil** » Sun May 17, 2020 11:37 pm

Ah - this is the one I've been waiting for!!

Especially the rigging!!
The rudder on the Brandenburg still freaks me out, hanging down instead of going up. I have to wonder how effective it was!

Post by **digger303** » Mon May 18, 2020 1:13 am

RangerNeil wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 11:37 pm Ah - this is the one I've been waiting for!! Especially the rigging!!
The rudder on the Brandenburg still freaks me out, hanging down instead of going up. I have to wonder how effective it was!

Lovely work agin

I suppose it makes it harder for the gunner to shoot up his own machine, it is weird though. That is what makes this era so great, being such a new way of transport they were willing to try anything in the way of new designs.

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Mon May 18, 2020 6:57 am

digger303 wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 1:13 am
RangerNeil wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 11:37 pm Ah - this is the one I've been waiting for!! Especially the rigging!!
The rudder on the Brandenburg still freaks me out, hanging down instead of going up. I have to wonder how effective it was!
Lovely work agin

I suppose it makes it harder for the gunner to shoot up his own machine, it is weird though. That is what makes this era so great, being such a new way of transport they were willing to try anything in the way of new designs.

RangerNeil wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 11:37 pm Ah - this is the one I've been waiting for!! Especially the rigging!!
The rudder on the Brandenburg still freaks me out, hanging down instead of going up. I have to wonder how effective it was!

Thanks for looking in and your comments both.

With rudders to work properly they need a good flow of air over them thats not shielded by the fuselage so it matters not which way up they are as long as they work also as Digger has said it was also done to give the rear gunner a better field of fire. They added the stubby bit on the bottom to give the rudder more meat and if you think about it the rudder must have been pretty effective for manouvering across the sea before take off as the did not feel the need to add rudders to the floats that some sea planes had.

Post by **RangerNeil** » Mon May 18, 2020 2:50 pm

digger303 wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 1:13 am
RangerNeil wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 11:37 pm Ah - this is the one I've been waiting for!! Especially the rigging!!
The rudder on the Brandenburg still freaks me out, hanging down instead of going up. I have to wonder how effective it was!
Lovely work agin

I suppose it makes it harder for the gunner to shoot up his own machine, it is weird though. That is what makes this era so great, being such a new way of transport they were willing to try anything in the way of new designs.

Someones been watching "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade"....

On the subject of control - I have a book here made up from memories of those who fought in WW1 and WW2. One of them is from an RFC veteran There was a type of 2 seater called an RE8 which had a bad reputation for being an absolute bitch to control at low speed and land. This veterans tale recounts how one day he was sat in the cockpit of an SE5 at an aerodrome where an RE8 squadron was based and they heard the sound of an approaching aircraft. As those on the ground watched an overdue RE8 appeared, performed a flawless circuit of the aerodrome followed by a text book landing. But at the end of the landing run the engine cut out and it just sat there. Ground crews rushed over thinking perhaps the crew were injured or wounded. To their amazement both pilot and gunner were dead - and from the dried blood had been some time. So who/how did an aircraft known to be difficult to fly manage to navigate back to its home base and perform a text book circuit and landing with a dead crew???

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Mon May 18, 2020 7:24 pm

Felix's crew area is coming together with the forward gunners area in place, the start of the pilot area and the fuel tank area still more to add along with the rear gunners station.

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Post by **Hawkmoon** » Tue May 19, 2020 6:12 pm

Felix has had all the floors finished with more bits Painted and added. The inner fuselage sides have been cleaned up, painted white then the base coat of ecoline put on to start the wood effect process

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Post by **Stokesy44** » Tue May 19, 2020 6:35 pm

Epic.

Post by **RangerNeil** » Tue May 19, 2020 10:00 pm

This is most certainly looking even more impressive than the Brandeburg!!

Post by **digger303** » Wed May 20, 2020 1:09 am

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Wed May 20, 2020 7:10 am

Thanks for looking in and your comments everyone

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Wed May 20, 2020 6:52 pm

The internal pod is about done just some rigging and a couple of small parts to add

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Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed May 20, 2020 10:14 pm

Oh wow look at all that woodwork..amazingly awesome

You made me buy that other WNW kit yesterday, all your fault

Post by **RangerNeil** » Wed May 20, 2020 10:34 pm

Truly impressive work there - the wood looks amazing!! Getting sorely tempted to risk the wifes anger and go for the F2B...

What rigging is required in the crew pod???

Post by **barryf1fan** » Wed May 20, 2020 10:43 pm

WOW!! This is looking awesome!

Post by **Stokesy44** » Wed May 20, 2020 11:23 pm

Really like the piping round the fuel tanks. Looks like you had a plumber come in and do it!

Post by **BigWall** » Thu May 21, 2020 12:04 am

Unbelievably nice work on the wood bits! Hell, on all of it!

As antiquated as it looks to us, people back then probably couldn't believe how technologically advanced it was.

Post by **CygnusX1** » Thu May 21, 2020 1:47 am

Well this is just superb. What amazing... uh... wood you have there.

Seriously though, this thread has been fantastic. I'm not really a fan of WW1 aircraft, but this is just superb build. Great work.

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Thu May 21, 2020 7:52 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Wed May 20, 2020 10:14 pm Oh wow look at all that woodwork..amazingly awesome
You made me buy that other WNW kit yesterday, all your fault

Thanks for looking in and your comments Scott. I have found the wood decals do not like to conform to surfaces that are not flat so some cajoling came into play

but it all worked out in the end. As for that itchy wallet trigger there's nothing like retail therapy to give you a boost

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Thu May 21, 2020 8:03 am

RangerNeil wrote: Wed May 20, 2020 10:34 pm Truly impressive work there - the wood looks amazing!! Getting sorely tempted to risk the wifes anger and go for the F2B...

What rigging is required in the crew pod???

Thanks for your comments Neil. Its more control cables for the rudder,elevator,ailerons and engine control rather than rigging. As for getting the kit I would get it as once there all gone you wont get another unless someone starts selling off there stash

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Thu May 21, 2020 8:04 am

barryf1fan wrote: Wed May 20, 2020 10:43 pm

WOW!! This is looking awesome!

Thanks for looking in and your comments Barry

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Thu May 21, 2020 8:09 am

Stokesy44 wrote: Wed May 20, 2020 11:23 pm Really like the piping round the fuel tanks. Looks like you had a plumber come in and do it!
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Three quarter inch imperial copper was used through out this build where needed Thats why I like these kits so much its the small detail that they add and thanks for looking in

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Thu May 21, 2020 8:12 am

BigWall wrote: Thu May 21, 2020 12:04 am Unbelievably nice work on the wood bits! Hell, on all of it!

As antiquated as it looks to us, people back then probably couldn't believe how technologically advanced it was.

Thanks for looking in and your comments and I must agree it was all cutting edge stuff for its time

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Thu May 21, 2020 8:16 am

CygnusX1 wrote: Thu May 21, 2020 1:47 am Well this is just superb. What amazing... uh... wood you have there.
Seriously though, this thread has been fantastic. I'm not really a fan of WW1 aircraft, but this is just superb build. Great work.

Thanks for your comments and looking in Cygnus the wood effect decals and wood wash effects turned out quite well in the end

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Thu May 21, 2020 1:45 pm

barryf1fan wrote: Wed May 20, 2020 10:43 pm

WOW!! This is looking awesome!

Good chuckle there

Post by **RangerNeil** » Thu May 21, 2020 9:17 pm

Hawkmoon wrote: Thu May 21, 2020 8:03 am
RangerNeil wrote: Wed May 20, 2020 10:34 pm Truly impressive work there - the wood looks amazing!! Getting sorely tempted to risk the wifes anger and go for the F2B...

What rigging is required in the crew pod???
Thanks for your comments Neil. Its more control cables for the rudder,elevator,ailerons and engine control rather than rigging. As for getting the kit I would get it as once there all gone you wont get another unless someone starts selling off there stash

Alas I seem to be too late - all I can find, other than the Gotha's, are Halberstandts and Hannover's. The Bristol seems to be NLA.

Post by **digger303** » Fri May 22, 2020 1:41 am

Stokesy44 wrote: Wed May 20, 2020 11:23 pm Really like the piping round the fuel tanks. Looks like you had a plumber come in and do it!

yes I agree it looks very realistic just the way plumbing is done.

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Fri May 22, 2020 6:56 am

Thanks for looking in and your comments everyone

Post by **Kevthemodeller** » Fri May 22, 2020 6:31 pm

The speed you're building this is amazing, with some beautiful work