Matthew’s Duck Challenge: Tamiya Panigale S 1199

Post by **Stokesy44** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:36 am

Looking like the real deal now. Its got an almost space-age look about it. Just shows how high tech racing bikes are.

Post by **barryf1fan** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:14 pm

Stokesy44 wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:36 am Looking like the real deal now. Its got an almost space-age look about it. Just shows how high tech racing bikes are.

They are high-tech, but this is a street bike. Ducati Corsa tried to utilize the "offset" shock on their race bikes several years ago and it was conducive to flex. In the swing-arm and the actual suspension components. The Ducati race bikes still utilize a standard double sided swing-arm with a central mounted mono-shock/damper. I'm actually kind of surprised that this setup is used, even on a street bike, although it is very cool... there is no way that it can be as strong as a double sided swing arm. 'Course, this bike has about 170 hp and the Ducati Corsa GP19 had over 230... 170 hp in a 400lb bike is still insane!!

Anyway, not trying to be a know-it-all, I'm just a huge bike racing and MotoGP fan.

Post by **LWWales** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:35 pm

Man that looks banging in white! Can't wait to see this finished!

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:37 pm

barryf1fan wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:14 pm
Stokesy44 wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:36 am Looking like the real deal now. Its got an almost space-age look about it. Just shows how high tech racing bikes are.
They are high-tech, but this is a street bike. Ducati Corsa tried to utilize the "offset" shock on their race bikes several years ago and it was conducive to flex. In the swing-arm and the actual suspension components. The Ducati race bikes still utilize a standard double sided swing-arm with a central mounted mono-shock/damper. I'm actually kind of surprised that this setup is used, even on a street bike, although it is very cool... there is no way that it can be as strong as a double sided swing arm. 'Course, this bike has about 170 hp and the Ducati Corsa GP19 had over 230... 170 hp in a 400lb bike is still insane!!

Anyway, not trying to be a know-it-all, I'm just a huge bike racing and MotoGP fan.

No no, good info

I can appreciate the engineering and design brilliance...but sometimes that doesn't translate into performance
I watchmore F1 vs MotoGp. The engineering, manufacturing and money is insane in both it would seem
Cool stuff thanks for your comments and input

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:38 pm

LWWales wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:35 pm Man that looks banging in white! Can't wait to see this finished!

I have had a few thoughts of leaving it white...but I do like the challenge of getting the yellow right

for commenting

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:39 pm

Stokesy44 wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:36 am Looking like the real deal now. Its got an almost space-age look about it. Just shows how high tech racing bikes are.

Indeed truly sexy machines
Easy to fall into a rabbit hole on the internet looking at photos and reading about them
That is half the fun of a build and seems to engage me more

Post by **barryf1fan** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:00 pm

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:37 pm No no, good info
I can appreciate the engineering and design brilliance...but sometimes that doesn't translate into performance
I watchmore F1 vs MotoGp. The engineering, manufacturing and money is insane in both it would seem
Cool stuff thanks for your comments and input

No prob, bob.

It's hard to find actual "real" budget amounts for MotoGP teams from the likes of Honda, Suzuki, Ducati etc... But I'm sure the likes of Scuderia Ferrari and AMG Petronas Mercedes spend way more than MotoGP teams. Renting MotoGP bikes (yes, the entire bike) for a satellite (ex. Reale Aventia Ducati) team could cost in the neighborhood of $2-$3 million, which would "usually" be last years bike - more if it's a current ready bike (like what Pramac Ducati get), whereas an engine only deal could be upwards of $10-$20 million for an F1 team (maybe more).

Real world example, Suderia Ferrari spent ~ 1/2 billion $$'s in the 2019 season... and while it's hard to find MotoGP team budgets, I wouldn't be surprised if all the involved manufactures together (Honda, Ducati, Aprilia, Suzuki, KTM, Yamaha) didn't spend $500 million, maybe, but I doubt it.

Dorna have really taken a lot of steps in the last ten years to try and cut costs, one for example, all the teams have to use the same electronic control system - and any change a specific team wants has to be approved by FIM officials, and if approved will be made available to all teams.
Anyhoo, I really like reading about this crap.

If you do here is a book that is just great, there's others but this one is pretty recently published.

MotoGP Technology by Neil Spalding

anyway, I love honking about this stuff - I'll jump out.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:05 pm

$500 Million
WOW!!!

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:50 pm

Taillight assembly..not a stitch of glue
Tamiya has some good part engineering here

Post by **barryf1fan** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:53 pm

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:50 pm Taillight assembly..not a stitch of glue
Tamiya has some good part engineering here

Looks great!! (I hate being at work!

)

I'm gonna leave that gargantuan license plate board off, you going to leave it off or put it on??

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:09 pm

barryf1fan wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:53 pm
Twokidsnosleep wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:50 pm Taillight assembly..not a stitch of glue
Tamiya has some good part engineering here

Looks great!! (I hate being at work! )

I'm gonna leave that gargantuan license plate board off, you going to leave it off or put it on??

Oh I don't know

I haven't got that far yet. I did paint it though
Maybe use it as a display sign instead beside the bike??

I am bored at work too..waiting for the next busy wave

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:00 am

Well movement tonight on this project....maybe best described as sideways instead of forward
Yellow was put on the fairings

Mehhhh

Ok, but it is a bit too light for my eye and in comparison to the photo.
I was waffling between the LP yellow and CAT orange/yellow ála Caterpillar Equipment shade.
I had some CAT already mixed from a truck engine project, but the jar is old and icky so I went LP
I went LP and it isn’t right, but it is easier to darken a paint job than lighten it.

On the weekend I am going to do a final coat and darken the yellow more to that CAT colour
I have dumped that jar out, cleaned the jar insides and remixed and diluted yellow+ clear orange+MLT to make the CAT
I could just spray clear orange over this yellow, but might not get perfect colour density and the clears can run on you really easily

My paint booth looks like I have dissected a Minion

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:36 am

Soooooooooooo your going to turn the lemon into a pumpkin

Seriously though we have all done it at some stage and as you say its an easy fix. So get on with it man

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:05 am

Hawkmoon wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:36 am Soooooooooooo your going to turn the lemon into a pumpkin

Seriously though we have all done it at some stage and as you say its an easy fix. So get on with it man

I knew what I was doing deciding between two colours.
Logically better to start light and go dark than the other way around
Gotta let it dry fully and it is late here on a school night
And yes from lemon to pumpkin is aptly described.

Post by **Stokesy44** » Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:04 am

Gutting. Its just a fraction off and no way you could have known by looking at the paint in the tin. But as you say, easier to darken than the other way around.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:14 pm

Stokesy44 wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:04 am Gutting. Its just a fraction off and no way you could have known by looking at the paint in the tin. But as you say, easier to darken than the other way around.

Not even a bit of a tummy upset...just more of an indecision
I spray thin layers so have tons of room for more paint and keep the lovely Tamiya moulding details prominent
It won’t be a problem
Sometimes you just don’t know how something will look until you try it on, or paint it ...and then your eye tells you quite quickly

Happy Friday

Post by **barryf1fan** » Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:11 pm

May be just me, but I like the color on your fairings better than the pic.

[hate myself for saying this and will probably lose points for Oklahoma]

I think that yellow pops more than the darker, and when you get the decals on it will look really good. Maybe not, but I like it.
[HGTV lingo over]

When you clear it the yellow you have will be cool and bright... but if you don't like it, you need to fix it, right?

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:10 pm

barryf1fan wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:11 pm May be just me, but I like the color on your fairings better than the pic.

[hate myself for saying this and will probably lose points for Oklahoma]

I think that yellow pops more than the darker, and when you get the decals on it will look really good. Maybe not, but I like it.
[HGTV lingo over]

When you clear it the yellow you have will be cool and bright... but if you don't like it, you need to fix it, right?

Don't make me waffle again Oklahoma, you are reading my mind as to why I started like this
I seem to like my reds a bit orange and my yellows the same. It just looks a little too sunny in this shade
No points off this time, but....

Post by **barryf1fan** » Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:50 pm

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:10 pm
barryf1fan wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:11 pm May be just me, but I like the color on your fairings better than the pic.

[hate myself for saying this and will probably lose points for Oklahoma]

I think that yellow pops more than the darker, and when you get the decals on it will look really good. Maybe not, but I like it.
[HGTV lingo over]

When you clear it the yellow you have will be cool and bright... but if you don't like it, you need to fix it, right?

Don't make me waffle again Oklahoma, you are reading my mind as to why I started like this
I seem to like my reds a bit orange and my yellows the same. It just looks a little too sunny in this shade
No points off this time, but....

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:20 am

Pardon my French.....but F’ing nailed it!

Yep THIS is what I wanted for shade

As I ponder my next steps, I see the 2K clear coming up. I clean out my spray booth and put down new blue paper liners.
My water trap on the compressor is soaking wet. That means there is a potential for water vapour to be in my a/b lines. If 2k + water vapour occurs as you spray on your clear layers, you are f’d....gives weird circles like fish eyes with silicone. Ruins the clear and build.
Ultimate primers and Tamiya paints won’t be affected, but 2k clear freaks out with water in it.
So I disassemble the trap, dry it off and let it sit open to air overnight to dry more.

Some say not to touch it as if there is water there the trap is doing its job. BS. I need to do more YouTube videos to be THAT smart I suppose

and won’t take the risk so dry it out.

Post by **barryf1fan** » Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:58 am

You right!!

I'm wrong again... don't worry, I'm used to it. I'm married.

Post by **Stokesy44** » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:47 am

For that moment when you know you've got it right. Love the new shade of yellow Sir.

Post by **jchrisf** » Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:45 pm

Wow, it is beautiful!

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:50 pm

barryf1fan wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:58 am You right!!

I'm wrong again... don't worry, I'm used to it. I'm married.

No right or wrong here.
I had the shade closer to that pic in mind, but liked the XF-3 shade and it is really easy to spray as a yellow.
So if it was too light, I still had a sound layer for glossier coats to sit on
Your idea was good and I bet that yellow would have been cool 2k’d
Always happy to have comments and suggestions

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:50 pm

Stokesy44 wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:47 am

For that moment when you know you've got it right. Love the new shade of yellow Sir.

I never liked Data’s brother in that series...definitely not my personality style

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:51 pm

jchrisf wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:45 pm Wow, it is beautiful!

It is getting there.
Lots of opportunity to screw it up still

Post by **jchrisf** » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:15 pm

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:51 pm
jchrisf wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:45 pm Wow, it is beautiful!

It is getting there.
Lots of opportunity to screw it up still

LOL.. I know the feeling

Post by **Stokesy44** » Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:48 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:50 pm
Stokesy44 wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:47 am

For that moment when you know you've got it right. Love the new shade of yellow Sir.
I never liked Data’s brother in that series...definitely not my personality style

Cant even give the guy a compliment!

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:27 pm

barryf1fan wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:53 pm
Twokidsnosleep wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:50 pm Taillight assembly..not a stitch of glue
Tamiya has some good part engineering here

Looks great!! (I hate being at work! )

I'm gonna leave that gargantuan license plate board off, you going to leave it off or put it on??

Ok I am nearing that step.
I painted a decanted TS pure white and done some strategic grey pinstripes over seat seams
The rear turn signal and plate holder are elegantly designed, but look weird

Should I leave it off??

Post by **jchrisf** » Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:17 pm

I don't know but I am really impressed with this build.

Post by **Hawkmoon** » Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:56 pm

Spot on with the yellow Scott and I used the number plate backing that came with the aftermarket set as it looked right the kit part just looked too chunky to me

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:04 pm

Popped on some decals before considering doing the clear coat. Will let them dry off a day or so

Post by **jchrisf** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:09 pm

That's quality work right there!

Post by **Stokesy44** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:13 pm

Lovely clean lines and paintwork. Did you achieve your goal in the end of being able to hang the fairings with magnets for removal?

Post by **LWWales** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:16 pm

Man this looks brilliant!

I'm gutted I didn't have the funds to partake in build. Though my next kit is the RC213v if any one has it 8n the stash and fancies it!

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:32 pm

jchrisf wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:09 pm That's quality work right there!

Very kind words, thank you

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:36 pm

Back from my Friday morning errands and lunch....plus a hobby store visit

I bought tape and Tamiya mixing jars. No kits

Actually pondering a 1/32 spitfire for the collection, we shall see if I go get it tomorrow

Delayed gratification and research prices a bit

The tape is yellow silicone stuff for the wheel stripe

Check that. Now I will paint up the wheel black and do the stripe
I also fake wired up the back of the instrument panel

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:38 pm

Stokesy44 wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:13 pm Lovely clean lines and paintwork. Did you achieve your goal in the end of being able to hang the fairings with magnets for removal?

Hi David
Yes, absolutely.
The magnets work a charm and things hold in place not too tight and not too loose.
I am going to order more of different sizes and will use them in this manner again

Post by **barryf1fan** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:04 pm

Looking the bomb, dude!!

Please let me know where you find the magnets in stock...

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:52 pm

barryf1fan wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:04 pm Looking the bomb, dude!!

Please let me know where you find the magnets in stock...

I am waiting for the Apocalypse to stop before ordering much of anything, shipping is iffy and prices high
This is who I got mine from...can’t remember if direct, amazon or ebay
https://zigmystermagnets.com

And ya thanks, happy about that yellow pin striping tape for the wheels

Post by **digger303** » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:39 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:52 pm
barryf1fan wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:04 pm Looking the bomb, dude!!

Please let me know where you find the magnets in stock...
I am waiting for the Apocalypse to stop before ordering much of anything, shipping is iffy and prices high
This is who I got mine from...can’t remember if direct, amazon or ebay
https://zigmystermagnets.com

And ya thanks, happy about that yellow pin striping tape for the wheels

Shipping from China has resumed here for sea and air so I orderd a couple of pin vices 2 days ago. Let you know the progress of that. 3 weeks delivery is what I'm hoping for.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:47 am

More from this afternoon of modelling
Wheel tape efforts ...not perfect but pretty good. Damn tape pulls off paint if I lift it again so it have one shot for placement

Hard to get it into a perfect circle with the narrow rim

Then I tested the tinted windscreen, the seat and the rims....pretty Ha-pay with all this

It looks pretty freaking cool in person

Post by **BigWall** » Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:47 am

It looks good in photos as well!

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:49 am

BigWall wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:47 am It looks good in photos as well!

Ha ha, Thanks Joe

I keep taking the same pic over and over

Post by **Bdiddy** » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:00 am

Scotty that looks freakin amazing, the pinstripes on the rims makes it pop! I hope mine turns out even half as good as that. You’ve got some talent man.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:26 am

Bdiddy wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:00 am Scotty that looks freakin amazing, the pinstripes on the rims makes it pop! I hope mine turns out even half as good as that. You’ve got some talent man.

Oh thank you very much. You are too kind, mate
One of my issues is I see ALL the imperfections , we are our worst critics
Sometimes you have to weigh fixing for perfection at great risk of disaster or just accepting as it is

Post by **Bdiddy** » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:36 am

So true man, it’s frustrating picking up minor imperfections that no ones else will notice grrrr, we are our own worst enemy

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:29 am

Bdiddy wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:36 am So true man, it’s frustrating picking up minor imperfections that no ones else will notice grrrr, we are our own worst enemy

I went back and fixed the one side of the front wheel
It has 0.7mm tape width on it, but the other side and the rear rim had 0.5 mm. I know as I cut it on my laser etched cutting mat
I didn’t think the 0.2mm would be too noticeable , but it was to my eye
So problem solved

I got all the decals and stripes done now, ready for 2k clear tomorrow
Repaired the ripped 1199 part of the decal where the pin stripe tape grabbed it and tore it right off...thankfully there were spare decals on the sheet. Stole the larger Ducati white decal from the tri colour Kit I have

Post by **Kevthemodeller** » Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:34 am

Oh yes

the paint, carbon decals and wheel rim detail is superb Scott just superb

Post by **digger303** » Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:03 am

Very pro looking wheels and panels/flaring's what ever you call them..