Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Post by **Paul** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:07 pm

5Craven wrote:I am sorry but I am not sure the shell casing works with the rest of the model as it stands. If all the hatches were open and the tank placed in a fixed 'hull down position' diorama then empty cases scattered around would work. But as you have it in a buttoned up finish then any used casings would be stored inside until a lull in the action would allow them to be chucked out. Of course in the end the final call will be yours but you did ask for opinions, I hope mine is of use!

Yeah I appreciate the feedback, don't forget on the king tiger the hatch for spent shell casing was a tiny hatch on the roof so it could be opened at any time really to lob out a spent shell.

I'll see what it'll looks like once finished.

Cheers

Post by **PhildaFish** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:26 pm

I agree that the 6th pic would work well as an avatar because of the angle of the barrel makes for a square picture full of tank, if you see what I mean. There are pics that show more of the PE detail though, like the last pic. I have seen at least one animated avatar on here though so why not a short video running forwards then backwards just showing from, say, front left corner (something like the position in pic 4) to rear left corner (pic 8)?

As for the look of the beast, I love it! The shell casing on the back can be explained away in so many ways - dropped in a hurry when enemy was sighted, for example - so it has to stay as it looks SO good!

As for the half painted look, I agree that it would look fantastic but to make it easier how about front half painted? Like it's being driven through a spray paint booth and only got half way? The more I think about that the worse it sounds...

Post by **Paul** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:51 pm

Cheers for the feedback phil, i like the idea of leaving half untouched but i think its deserves to be fully painted and it will be.

I cracked on with dismatling the tank today, anything that could be removed has been ready for priming. Ill prime the PE in alclad primer and i have an idea for getting some texture on the turret.

She looks naked now

Started with the tracks today, using AK's burnishing fluid, ive made a video about the process ill post it once its sorted.

One completed track next to the untouched one, it worked very well giving a good effect.

Post by **Coen** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:53 pm

Cool stuff... it looks something like a product called Blacken-it.
I may have to try that.

Post by **Lee** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:13 pm

Awesome work Paul, like the idea of half and half mate, quite an original idea...!!!

Have to agree with Dave about the shell casing bud, would work in a dio but not on its own - IMO of course bud

Post by **DC87** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:29 pm

Coming on a treat, enjoying following this allot.

Post by **Paul** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:47 pm

Cheers fellas, lee i may do a small dio for this, need to see how long the painting/weathering stage takes though, this was supposed to be the easy bit lol

Website · Post by **Gav0909** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:57 pm

She is coming on great Paul. Shame in a way to paint over all the extras added to this kit, but at the same time she needs a proper paint job.

I would get rid of the shell really, one lonely shell on the rear deck doesn't really make much sense I don't think. If she is placed on a small dio where you can add some more around about it to suggest its been in a period of fighting, then fair enough.

Post by **Paul** » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:21 pm

So for those that havent seen it i did a video on the friul tracks

[youtube]eoWI7HP0A2Q[/youtube]

So alclad grey primer to ensure all the PE is properly primered

And today Vallejo red oxide primer ready for its base coat of xtracrylix dunkelgelb.

Post by **DC87** » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:49 pm

Looking great, really good video too.

Post by **Coen** » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:11 pm

Wow... that looks perfect.
Paul, if you get a second before you do the yellow, can you get a closer shot of that PE zimmerit?
It looks really good in the other shots. I'm just curious about the depth is all.

Post by **Paul** » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:58 pm

Coen wrote:Wow... that looks perfect.
Paul, if you get a second before you do the yellow, can you get a closer shot of that PE zimmerit?
It looks really good in the other shots. I'm just curious about the depth is all.

Yes ill sort,that tomorrow for you, it's a good effect the only place I'm not happy with is the turret centres where a centre square of PE were added you can see the glue lines were ive filled the edges, I'm gonna have a play with it (easy tiger) tomorrow and see, if I can blend it a little better if not it is what it is.

Post by **hansolo** » Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:19 pm

So, no half and half than.

Post by **Paul** » Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:50 pm

hansolo wrote:So, no half and half than.

Ha ha no I thought I Would just do it full camo

Post by **spruecutter** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:34 am

This has been such an impressive build, looking forward to the paint job. No pressure then?

Post by **Paul** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 7:31 am

spruecutter wrote:This has been such an impressive build, looking forward to the paint job. No pressure then?

About 25psi

Post by **alextheblue** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:44 am

Paul wrote:
spruecutter wrote:This has been such an impressive build, looking forward to the paint job. No pressure then?

About 25psi

https://www.youtube.com/user/bnealuk · Post by **T3hGuppy** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:21 am

lol

Post by **Paul** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:04 pm

So when I first ordered the hull mounted mg barrel I got the wrong one, I got a sleeved aircraft one, I thought I could let it slide but its been annoying me so I ripped the old one out and ordered the correct aber one which arrived today.

The other rb one cost £4 these aber ones were £10

Some close ups zimmeritt for coen

And after a few coats of xtracrylix dunklgelb, I'm still not happy with those turret squares, will have to have a look what I can do.

Post by **Coen** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:22 pm

Thanks Paul, those were perfect.

I see what you mean about those squares, I'm not sure why they did that.
You would think that they would just offer two different sheets one with the cut out for decals and one without.
Probably to save money.

I'm afraid that I don't have any ideas, none that you haven't already tried I would imagine.
Tamiya putty is about all I would do. Thinned with some TET. Then try and blend as best as you can.
Other than that the rest of the zimmerit looks great.

Would you consider doing another AVF with PE zimmerit?
Or is it crap in your mind.... inquiring minds want to know?

Post by **Paul** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:59 pm

Coen wrote:Thanks Paul, those were perfect.

I see what you mean about those squares, I'm not sure why they did that.
You would think that they would just offer two different sheets one with the cut out for decals and one without.
Probably to save money.

I'm afraid that I don't have any ideas, none that you haven't already tried I would imagine.
Tamiya putty is about all I would do. Thinned with some TET. Then try and blend as best as you can.
Other than that the rest of the zimmerit looks great.

Would you consider doing another AVF with PE zimmerit?
Or is it crap in your mind.... inquiring minds want to know?

Yeah it would have been better with the two options, if I had known the problems I would have left the squares out but I'm not keen on that look as I always think it looks odd.

What I'm going to try is what I did the the mg hump (which does look better than it did) ill go the work with a real harsh sanding sponge to take off the superglue "bumps" then I scribe out the superglue from the zimmeritt lines with my micro chisel and see how it looks.

If I were to do zimmeritt again I would be happy to use PE but I would be tempted to try a resin set or even roll my own next time.

I'll be back.......

Post by **Paul** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:20 pm

Ok so I sanded the PE with a sanding sponge and removed the visible humps and lines.

Sadly this also removed most of the PE detail, so I tried the putty and zimmeritt tool trick over the PE but,it looked odd and inconsistent next to the PE zimmeritt.

So I've removed the sheet either side and will order a full 1 piece replacement set.

Post by **hansolo** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:12 pm

That's to bad man.
It was coming along so nicely!
Hope you're back on track soon.

cheers

Post by **DC87** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:39 pm

Good work trying to sort the problem shame it didn't work out.

Best of luck with the rest of the build.

This may be the same sort of question as Coen's earlier but I shall ask anyway - Do you think the PE zimmeritt would work on a smaller turret with straighter sides?

Post by **schweinhund227** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:41 pm

Just try to get some Cavalier or ATAK Zim sheets to replace what was lost!

Sorry for your troubles! Never like that square either!

Good luck with fixing this!

Push it away nd drink a beer! Let the temper cool a bit!

Post by **Paul** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:13 pm

schweinhund227 wrote:Just try to get some Cavalier or ATAK Zim sheets to replace what was lost!

Sorry for your troubles! Never like that square either!

Good luck with fixing this!

Push it away nd drink a beer! Let the temper cool a bit!

I wasn't happy with it from the start, I've managed to get a verlinden PE set for half price of ebay, it has one piece zim sides for the turret so that'll do fine.

I'll be back on track soon enough

Post by **Paul** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:15 pm

DC87 wrote:Good work trying to sort the problem shame it didn't work out.

Best of luck with the rest of the build.

This may be the same sort of question as Coen's earlier but I shall ask anyway - Do you think the PE zimmeritt would work on a smaller turret with straighter sides?

Yeah it'll work fine on straight sides

Post by **PhildaFish** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:22 pm

I have complete faith that you'll sort this out and have it looking the business soon enough!

Post by **Paul** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:54 pm

Yeah it'll be sorted soon enough Phil.

I sent some pics to emodels for their Facebook page and a comment about the zimmerit made me think this.

This is the Ultimate build of this tank for me (hence why ive spent over £220 on it now) and although its a late king tiger and wouldn't have had zimmerit mine has, late tigers also had a hard edged Camo pattern, mine will be soft edged and most tigers had the turret mg/cupola ring removed for ease of access, mine is present here. I'm not a rivet counter so don't care it's not 100% accurate date wise, I'm basically using artistic licence to build my favourite tank. A late king tiger with zimmeritt and soft edged Camo work.

That's not a rant btw, just me stating how this build is for me.

Post by **Coen** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:50 am

How long until the replacement PE arrives?

Post by **PhildaFish** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:57 am

I saw it on Facebook and thought "I know that build!"

Post by **Paul** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:17 am

Coen wrote:How long until the replacement PE arrives?

Hey buddy

I managed to get the verlinden set for tamiya but it'll fit the dragon ok (I hope) of ebay, rrp is £26 I got it on ebay for £14 so happy about that. I message the seller to ensure fast postage and he just got back to me saying he would post today, so I should get it tomorrow of Wednesday.

At a loose end today now so will get more ism vids done

Post by **Nige99** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:58 am

Benn away from the forum foe a while so sorry I haven't commented on this build Paul. All builds have some sort of problems and by adding all these extras can give you complications.

I do see what you mean about the zimmerit tho. Gutted for you mate, however you never hang about getting things sorted.

Post by **Paul** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:01 pm

Nige99 wrote:Benn away from the forum foe a while so sorry I haven't commented on this build Paul. All builds have some sort of problems and by adding all these extras can give you complications.

I do see what you mean about the zimmerit tho. Gutted for you mate, however you never hang about getting things sorted.

Cheers Nige, it'll be sorted in no time mate

Post by **chief5437** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:47 pm

I feel for you Paul, must've been a few tentative moments when you ripped that stuff off! I'm confident that you'll get it back on track soon. Good luck for the rest of the build mate.

Post by **Paul** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:47 pm

chief5437 wrote:I feel for you Paul, must've been a few tentative moments when you ripped that stuff off! I'm confident that you'll get it back on track soon. Good luck for the rest of the build mate.

It actually came of pretty easy mate, annoyed though as I wanted to crack on with it today

Post by **Paul** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:30 pm

Ok so im back in business

The verlinden PE zim arrived this morning

Looks good as good if not better than the eduard, but more importantly one piece turret sides

I knew it was going to be about to fit being one piece and getting it to bend to the contour of the turret.

First off I set to work with the dremel to remove the remnants of the old superglue.

I then put a slight roll on the zim sheet using my small shop roller.

Then using thick superglue I set it in place

What a nightmare to place, a couple of mm short at the front and too tall height wise, so I use some squadron white and my zimmeritt roller to replace the missing front section and trimmed the top and blended it to the turret using superglue a roller and my diamond file.

This was then primed in Vallejo red primer and once dry,given a couple of coats of xtracrylix dunkelgelb.

Much happier with it now, i just need to attach the spare track link holders and I'm back to where I was 3 days ago

Post by **DC87** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:39 pm

Well done indeed, that looks the business now.

Post by **Nige201980** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:08 pm

Looks great mate just a pity to other didn't work out for you mate.

Post by **alextheblue** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:09 pm

That is looking soooooo good now and I bet any doubts you had about taking the zim off are just distant memories.

Seeing how good your Tiger looks brings to mind a great quote -

"All labour that uplifts humanity has dignity and importance and should be undertaken with painstaking excellence"

Some would argue that Martin Luther King wasn't speaking specifically about scale modelling, but that's only because he never got to see this fine bit of craftsmanship!!

Post by **Paul** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:23 pm

alextheblue wrote:That is looking soooooo good now and I bet any doubts you had about taking the zim off are just distant memories.

Seeing how good your Tiger looks brings to mind a great quote -

"All labour that uplifts humanity has dignity and importance and should be undertaken with painstaking excellence"

Some would argue that Martin Luther King wasn't speaking specifically about scale modelling, but that's only because he never got to see this fine bit of craftsmanship!!

ha ha cheers Alex love the quote

Post by **Coen** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:48 pm

Forward!!!!!!!

Post by **PhildaFish** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:02 pm

Fantastic!

Website · Post by **Gav0909** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:03 pm

Looks good Paul!

Onvards tovards Victory! lol

Post by **Paul** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:17 pm

Sorry for the double update, but I got a little more done this afternoon.

I decided to make PE track holders for the turret.

The supplied verlinden ones were a tad long

So I cut them in half

And using my bending machine made two bend a sharp 90 and a soft,the sharp to go on the turret.

Glued in position awaiting the bottom brackets and paint

Post by **Daishi12** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:26 pm

Looking really good. Wish I had the patience to get to your standard of excellence.

Post by **Coen** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:48 pm

I think that I like that brand of PE zim more than the other... it looks more... crisp.
Might just be the picture.
That and it doesn't have that cut out of course.

Post by **Paul** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:52 pm

Coen wrote:I think that I like that brand of PE zim more than the other... it looks more... crisp.
Might just be the picture.
That and it doesn't have that cut out of course.

It's defo more crisp on the horizontal lines but I like the vertical lines on the eduard.

https://www.youtube.com/user/bnealuk · Post by **T3hGuppy** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:59 pm

Cool the beast is back on track

Couldn't resist the pun lol.

Post by **MikhailBakunin** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:18 pm

Paul,

Are you planning on incorporating the Kübelwagen (postman) in a diorama with this King Tiger?

MB