F-4 Phantom II SIG General Chat And Questions

Post by **Vleugelmoer** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:25 am

During tonight's Live at the bench show Me and some of the other viewers came up with the idea to do a SIG or Buddy build (when we only have a few participants) dedicated to the McDonnal Douglas F-4 Phantom II. It will be open to all scales, variants, kit manufaturers. After market, Resin, PE and decals allowed as well as scratch building. I is not mandatory to use AM if you prefer to Build OOB that's fine by us. We are looking at a start date of OCT 01 2016 and will run until the end of the year. If there are any other members that want to pay a tribute to the Rhino just reply to this thread.

As always happy modeling and keep sticking styrene.

Paul (vleugelmoer) and Guy (GuyMac)

Post by **GuyMac** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:27 am

I'm in ofcourse

I'm not decided which one I will build
- 1/32 F-4F (Revell)
- 1/48th Rockin' Rhino (F-4J) or Good evening Da Nang (F-4C) (both Eduard) (never worked with PE or Resin before so one of these will be a challenge)
- 1/72nd Black Bunny (VX-4) Hasegawa F-4J (Rare kit these days, Bought this on hEppy-bay and payed 99$ for it)
- 1/72nd Wild Weasel (F-4G Early) Tamiya kit
or just another one I might buy during following weeks

Post by **Vleugelmoer** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:27 am

As Am I

Post by **chief5437** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 2:31 am

Count me in guys!

Post by **Vleugelmoer** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 2:33 am

The three initiators are now in, lets see who els feels like joining in on the fun.

Post by **EricM** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 5:41 am

im in, have a few kits to choose from but will most likely be a British phantom

Post by **Willem** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 6:49 am

Quite tempted by this. Have either the Eduard Da Nang or Bicentennial to get out of the stash.

Post by **Joesdad** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 7:37 am

Haven't got an F4 in my little stash but will put one top of my wish list...

Post by **GuyMac** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 8:52 am

Tim, I will continue spamming you until you got one

Post by **Avgas** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:16 am

Haven't got an F4 in my little stash but will put one top of my wish list...

This is a nice one http://www.creativemodels.co.uk/eduard_ ... 39309.html

I'm up for a build as well.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:02 pm

I just don't see the appeal in this bird

I mean it was barely used in any airforces

Never shot down enemy planes, especially migs nor was versatile in armament and roles

and had no intrinsic esthetically beauty in its design

Well, just to humour you guys, if I see one at the LHS today I might just pick it up....out of pity, really.
Silly old bird

Post by **Avgas** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:29 pm

Don't know about beauty, it weren't known as the Double Ugly for nowt. But certainly impressive.

Post by **Vleugelmoer** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:57 pm

Twokidsnosleep wrote:I just don't see the appeal in this bird

You must be joking

The lines en sheer brut force needed to keep this semi aerodynamic brick from plummeting back to earth...

Twokidsnosleep wrote:I mean it was barely used in any airforces

I mean like only Australia, Egypt, Germany, Greece, Iran, Israel, Japan, South Korea, Spain, Turkey and United Kingdom And that was outside all the branches of the US military apparatus

Twokidsnosleep wrote:Never shot down enemy planes, especially migs nor was versatile in armament and roles

When the pilot figured out how to actually fly the darn thing during that minor conflict in South East Asia that lasted for 6 months short of 20 years

.

Captain Charles B. "Chuck" DeBellevue USAF (6 Confirmed Kills), Lt Randall "Duke" Cunningham USN (5 Confirmed Kills), Lt j.g. William P. Driscoll USN (5 Confirmed Kills), Capt. Steve Ritchie USAF (5 Confirmed Kills) and Capt. Jeff Feinstein (5 Confirmed Kills) all where flying this weird flying machine during this campaign and even became aces whilst doing it

And this pictures speaks for it's self.

Twokidsnosleep wrote:and had no intrinsic esthetically beauty in its design

Beauty is in the eye of th beholder my friend, Its still better to have something ugly that works than a

Good Looking even sexy machine that fail to perform

[quote="Twokidsnosleep"Well, just to humour you guys, if I see one at the LHS today I might just pick it up....out of pity, really.
Silly old bird[/quote]

Glad you came to your senses and will be joining in the fun of this build

aboard.

As always happy modeling and keep sticking styrene.

Paul

Post by **Avgas** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:58 pm

Paul, look up 'irony'....

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:19 pm

Thanks for playing along, you made my day

Post by **Vleugelmoer** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:25 pm

I knew it was but decided to quote anyway to bring some history about this unique aircraft into the thread

Post by **Vleugelmoer** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:27 pm

Avgas wrote:Paul, look up 'irony'....

Could it be I did it to bring in some historical facts

whilst we are googeling words sarcasme is my way to combat the obvious

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:29 pm

Yes, thanks for that, I need the straight man for the joke to work to maximum effect

Post by **Vleugelmoer** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:31 pm

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:56 pm

I will try to not overstay my welcome in the buddy build. I promise to behave now

I have a 1/72 Tamiya Navy Phantom and some armament loading guys from Hasegawa in the office stash

BUT if I see a nice, bright, shiny Eduard box at the LHS I could hardly be blamed for giving it a new proper home

Post by **Vleugelmoer** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 7:22 pm

Nothing wrong with a bit of banter between buddies in my humble opinion eh

...

I hear ya, I'm contemplating redoing a Revell 1:32 F-4E from the USAFE airbase where the old man used to work that I did as a kid.

Back then the basic F-4 kit Revell made was an absolute turd. Back in the late 80's early 90's there was hardly any aftermarket available for arge scale aircraft. I had see a proper airbrush back around the same time but being, only as an early teen now way was it remotely even close in the price range I could afford on a twice a week paperroute. Needless to say retrospective that came out looking a bit like a fresh pile of horse manure.

But now a day it's a different ball game. Resin, Photo-etch, Decent enough kit, and even a rerelease of the decals for that squadron up the road by Dutch Decal.

:d yes indeed I'm as happy as a young teenager at Christmas.

Hopefully I can do a better job than when I was a young teenager.

As always happy modeling and keep sticking styrene.

Paul

P.s. who am I to judge, I'm as styrene addicted as the other members here. And o ya I'm looking at a price tag of around 200 euro's for this build

already

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 8:14 pm

I found nothing interesting Phantom wise at the hobby shop...so I will try the Tamiya Navy bird, maybe launching off a carrier deck

Post by **EricM** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 8:19 pm

if you guys havent seen this series from the History Channel its great and features many episodes with the Phantom [youtube]5GP5gfw0ZAQ[/youtube]

Post by **GuyMac** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:51 pm

Avgas wrote:
Haven't got an F4 in my little stash but will put one top of my wish list...

This is a nice one http://www.creativemodels.co.uk/eduard_ ... 39309.html

I'm up for a build as well.

The Eduard Da Nang kit is indeed a very nice kit. I'm just thinking which one I will build : The Da Nang one or the Rockin' Rhino one.

Post by **GuyMac** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:59 pm

Twokidsnosleep wrote:I will try to not overstay my welcome in the buddy build. I promise to behave now
I have a 1/72 Tamiya Navy Phantom and some armament loading guys from Hasegawa in the office stash
BUT if I see a nice, bright, shiny Eduard box at the LHS I could hardly be blamed for giving it a new proper home

I can't enter a LHS and be leaving without an F-4

That's why I'm not allowed near one by the Misses

Post by **Spook** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:18 pm

I think I'll be joining you guys this, I'm sure I can find one to build in my growing stash of rhinos.
Phantoms phorever. Not that I'm bias or anything.

Post by **GuyMac** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:24 pm

Cool Spook. Looking forward to it.

Post by **GuyMac** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:13 pm

Vleugelmoer wrote: I hear ya, I'm contemplating redoing a Revell 1:32 F-4E from the USAFE airbase where the old man used to work that I did as a kid.
:

Are those the ones with the CR tailcode and Nam camo or the Europe One camo ?

Post by **Vleugelmoer** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:30 pm

GuyMac wrote:
Vleugelmoer wrote: I hear ya, I'm contemplating redoing a Revell 1:32 F-4E from the USAFE airbase where the old man used to work that I did as a kid.
:
Are those the ones with the CR tailcode and Nam camo or the Europe One camo ?

Yes, CR was the US tail code for Soesterberg "Camp Amsterdam" Airforce Base. Until the unit got closed down by defense cutbacks in 1993.

The official name for that Camo was the Woodland II Scheme if i'm not mistaken.. And yes that was the scheme also used over Vietnam.

As always happy modeling and keep sticking styrene.

Paul

Post by **DBMiller** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:54 pm

I love the F-4 and have several kits, but the way I've been building I don't know about starting this. Sigh. I'll give is a few days thought.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:06 am

DBMiller wrote:I love the F-4 and have several kits, but the way I've been building I don't know about starting this. Sigh. I'll give is a few days thought.

Might just be the thing to get your mojo back

They are not starting until October 1st, so you have some time

Post by **GuyMac** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:16 am

DBMiller wrote:I but the way I've been building

What do you mean by this DB ?

Post by **Vleugelmoer** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:48 am

DBMiller wrote:I love the F-4 and have several kits, but the way I've been building I don't know about starting this. Sigh. I'll give is a few days thought.

Take your time, the planned start date is Oct 1st so no rush to decide. I gather that you are suffering from lack of modeling MOJO. Hope to see you back at the bench soon.

As always happy modeling and keep sticking styrene.

Paul

Post by **Joesdad** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:08 am

GuyMac wrote:Tim, I will continue spamming you until you got one

No doubt you will Guy! For your numbers sake I'm in

Post by **Joesdad** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:09 am

Avgas wrote:
Haven't got an F4 in my little stash but will put one top of my wish list...
This is a nice one http://www.creativemodels.co.uk/eduard_ ... 39309.html

I'm up for a build as well.

Thanks Dave, good price

Post by **wookiee76** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:36 am

Count me in fellas, just need to get a phantom!

Post by **Ads24** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:46 am

Been a while since I've done an ISM build, but this could be just the thing to get me back into it!

Have an F-4J in the stash desperate to be built...

Post by **Vleugelmoer** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:15 am

wookiee76 wrote:Count me in fellas, just need to get a phantom!

Nice to have you onboard John, We are getting all kinds of interest now..

Post by **Avgas** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:31 pm

I've had this one in the stash for at least a year, about time I attacked it.

Post by **DBMiller** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:37 pm

GuyMac wrote:
DBMiller wrote:but the way I've been building
What do you mean by this DB ?

Too many builds started but I have not finished much in a while. I had to take a short break. I'm getting back into it with the sub build, but an F-4 is a lot more work!

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:49 pm

DBMiller wrote:
GuyMac wrote:
DBMiller wrote:but the way I've been building
What do you mean by this DB ?
Too many builds started but I have not finished much in a while. I had to take a short break. I'm getting back into it with the sub build, but an F-4 is a lot more work!

I so know this feeling

I been trapped in detailing a Bugatti that seems designed to NOT be made....it drags you down and it zaps your energy. Good to take a rest.
I like to finish what I start and have decided to do a couple "simple" builds in a totally different genre than what I normally do. So, I jump into the sci-fi sig and this buddy build to get some motivation and support.
Get a Phantom bud, we will pull you out of the funk

Post by **GuyMac** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:38 pm

you'll manage

Post by **Vleugelmoer** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:13 am

there's nothing better to get rid of the modeling mojo blues that building something oddball and left field to than your normal genre and normal field of modeling. Just pick up a 1:144 F-4 and get it together in a day or two. Problem solved. Dang with all my talks with the psychologist i'm starting to dish it out as well

before I'll know it they'll boot me out of treatment for conforming so well

Post by **Lysus** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:23 pm

My dance card is full through Christmas, but if I can I'd love to try one. One of my favorite post-50's jet designs.

Maybe I can squeeze in a 1/144

Put me down for a "maybe."

YouTube · Post by **NorthernModeller** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:26 pm

Count me in on this build gents

Post by **Vleugelmoer** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:31 pm

on-board Ivan, happy to have you mate

Any idea of what you want to enter yet??

Post by **Joesdad** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:33 pm

How many have signed up now lads?

Post by **Vleugelmoer** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:43 pm

Joesdad wrote:How many have signed up now lads?

I come to lucky 13 so far and that is including the maybe's (2). We still have some time I'll repost on the Facebook page tonight. ISM Paul is also doing shoutouts during the five at the bench shows for use so we'll get more to join over the next couple of weeks and months.

As always happpy modeling and keep sticking styrene.

Paul J "the other Paul"

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:53 pm

This is what I am thinking diorama wise for my build.
Sectional carrier deck with the Phantom shooting off

A good example here with an F16

That is what I am thinking anyways

Scott

Post by **Vleugelmoer** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:06 pm

Very cool diorama idea Scott. Not to be rivet counting here, but it's either my eyes or the small screen on the phone but the plane in the reference photo looks a lot like a F-18 to me