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Hi I'm building a D-Day beach/bunker diorama, I'm putting in fortifiction line's of dragon teeth can someone tell me was it just the British that had a steel U lifting ring in the top only some had them or did the German ones have them to,I'm pretty sure I've seen pic but not 100%,any info/input welcomed.
Pete

Hey Pete

The only pics I could find with rings were of British ones. One thing I did spot was some of the German ones had wood planking marks on them which may mean they were poured on location rather than in factories using moulds. That might make sense given how much concrete was being poured at the beach locations using the same method. Just drop the frame down, pour it and its job done, no need to move it afterwards?

Not definitive but maybe helpful

Stokesy44 wrote:Hey Pete

The only pics I could find with rings were of British ones. One thing I did spot was some of the German ones had wood planking marks on them which may mean they were poured on location rather than in factories using moulds. That might make sense given how much concrete was being poured at the beach locations using the same method. Just drop the frame down, pour it and its job done, no need to move it afterwards?

Not definitive but maybe helpful

Hi David thanks for looking, makes perfect sense,drop,pour,cup of tea ,home that's one thing you can say about the German war machine /industry it was efficient ???

Pete
German Dragon teeth were poured on site and connected together by re enforced footings.Several period designs were made . no rings to lift them but some other obstacles did
Germany used/recycled many other AT obstacles from other nation Poland, Belgium, to name a few.
How far up the beach do you want to do and tide low or high as these questions will give a great indication what obstacles you will need to show.

if you need plans for any obstacle please ask include any bunker plans you may want/need I have
a great resource is
D.A.W.A
Panzersperren und andre hinernisse.

here is a sample layout for dragon teeth

WMH wrote:Pete
German Dragon teeth were poured on site and connected together by re enforced footings.Several period designs were made . no rings to lift them but some other obstacles did
Germany used/recycled many other AT obstacles from other nation Poland, Belgium, to name a few.
How far up the beach do you want to do and tide low or high as these questions will give a great indication what obstacles you will need to show.

if you need plans for any obstacle please ask include any bunker plans you may want/need I have
a great resource is
D.A.W.A
Panzersperren und andre hinernisse.

Hi Wayne thanks for the info, will check then I get back home
Pete

Hey I was right! Well pleased with myself

I've seen those wooden pouring marks all over a gun battery emplacement a few miles inland from Utah Beach. The battery was reclaimed from the undergrowth a few years ago and is now well worth a visit. It was certainly built to house very large calibre weapons, the two main casements are far larger than anything seen at Point Du Hoc or Merville which are much more famous.

Well worth a visit
http://www.batterie-marcouf.com/en

This is one of the two main casements, the US Army Corps of engineers practiced demolition on it after the fighting had moved inland. They only managed to cave the rear end in!





Talk about perfectly placed, you can just about see the water off Utah in the second pic.

Thank you kind sir, yes it is a great view, they couldn't miss really could they, are they you pic's?
I don't need any more info thank you, all very much appreciated
Pete

privatepete wrote:Thank you kind sir, yes it is a great view, they couldn't miss really could they, are they you pic's?
I don't need any more info thank you, all very much appreciated
Pete

They certainly are. I've got a nice (although a bit old now) Canon digital SLR so I just snap away when on trips and then keep the pics on my laptop or on disks.

Betonigel - concrete hedgehogs Anti Tank Obstacle were used too.


other styles used too in different sectors/beaches
photos from net

and you asked about a lifting loop there is this design CONCRETE TETRAPODS I believe either polish or Czech

Stokesy44 wrote:They certainly are. I've got a nice (although a bit old now) Canon digital SLR so I just snap away when on trips and then keep the pics on my laptop or on disks.

My good lady works for Canon UK,Surrey and guess what I don't own a camera , just a camera phone
Pete

WMH wrote:and you asked about a lifting loop there is this design CONCRETE TETRAPODS I believe either polish or Czech

Yes,I know some British one's did ,I've got some pic's somewhere, thanks for all this information.
Pete