Pocher 1/4 ducati panigale

Post by **kpisnuts** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:13 pm

Hi all well it's arrived man it's huge here is a pic of the box

And just for size comparison here it is along side a calor gas fire

The instruction manual

It's really well packaged

And here is the Paul Koo upgrade kit

I'm not allowed to start it till my birthday on the 26th of next month though (although I wasn't allowed to open it then);)

Post by **kpisnuts** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:50 pm

Hi all well I've not actually started building it yet but I couldn't resist comparing it to the biggest scale I've built so far (1/6 bikes) these bikes are huge but putting the ducati crank case and gearbox along side it this is going to be enormous (baring in mind there are no cylinder heads or fuel intake on it) by the time I add those the engine will probably be twice this size.
I will probably being upsetting the purists among you as it won't be the box colours it will be a custom job.

Post by **kpisnuts** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:40 pm

Hi all well I won't be here on my birthday so I got permission to start it today.
I decided to start on the exhaust as it has been noted as the worst fitting part of the whole kit, this thing is huge the bit of the exhaust I've started is the length of a 1/24 car and that's basically just the down pipe. So here is the start of this massive kit, I must say I'm buzzing with excitement.

I've plugged some of the screw holes

Then decided to add the first missing detail, the welding seam on the curved outside and inside section of the exhaust (i will add the weld seam round the other side when its finally attached to the rest of it)

I've not glued the two sections together yet to make drilling of the holes for the oxygen sensors easier.

There's loads of detail you could add just to this part and I'm going to try and add it all, I did say TRY.

Post by **exmoor** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:55 pm

Great start i will be keeping eye on this buid its going to be a great ride

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:13 pm

Cool

Paul Koo is a great guy, helped me with some Pocher auto stuff and I have his videos for kits I have

Post by **kpisnuts** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:02 pm

Yep and the photos on the DVD are a great reference (it's where I got the flange from)

Post by **kpisnuts** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:25 pm

Hi all well after an update on my samsung tab s2 it has made it totally useless for posting on forums so I'm now stuck with this incredibly slow and clumsy laptop so here is the next installment. i was following silver911 build of this and decided to emulate his enhancement of the exhaust joins and copied his use of aluminium foil on them.

also I've added the thickening where the oxygen sensors go

(its made from the phillips screw covers from a bedroom unit)
made a start on the engine too. Added some weathering as well. Put a rule in the last pic to give an idea of the size of this beast.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:04 am

Nice engine block

Post by **kpisnuts** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:23 pm

Made a start on the exhaust valve and made up the spring hangers soon be ready for priming.

Here's the pic that should have been there

Post by **kpisnuts** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:05 pm

Hi all I've started weathering the exhaust I'm using Uschi metal powders and a combination of copper and blue grey dry brushed on, still more to do but it looks promising

Added some more engine details like the generator wires

Post by **kpisnuts** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:12 pm

Hi all well here is the first disappointment with the upgrade kit he supplies the steel beads to make the banjo connectors for various connections but then tells you to use poacher 2 millimetre bolts for the head of the banjo connector (there are none supplied in the kit only cross head screws) I realise Paul has built loads of poacher kits, this is my first so I don't have any poacher 2 mill bolts, what I do have though is these.

So onwards and upwards

I've made the springs for the exhaust too.

Post by **kpisnuts** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:29 pm

Hi all well (despite the gorgeous paint job on the kit parts) I've primed it ready for the new colour (I intend to leave this for at least a week to cure before adding the first coat of the two pack paint I have)

Done some more to the engine

Post by **kpisnuts** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:30 pm

Hi all here is the next instalment.
I got fed up with taking longer to find a part on the many sprues in this kit by looking for the small tab on each sprue with the letter I needed (I'm surprised I didn't think of this the 2 times I built the Traction Avant kit) I've written a large letter on each bag for which sprue is in it.

I've made the starter motor terminal from a piece of whittled down sprue

Added the oil cooler with the added layers and the banjo connector using Paul Coos detail adding info

And the finished starter motor.

Bit more weathering on the engine.

All in all I'm quite pleased with the progress (even if it's glacially slooooow)

Post by **Johnj** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:25 pm

Oh, nice one

that is looking superb !!!!

I've had my finger hovering over the 'buy' button a few times this year but somethings been holding me back

what's the kit like ? Quality ? Fit and finish ? I think i was just worried it was one of these monthly magazine models but in one big box ?
I look forward to following your build, your off to a cracking start

I'm not sure if this is of any help but "modelfixings" do a huge range of screws, bolts, nuts, and washers for a model of this size.

Post by **kpisnuts** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:18 am

Hi John I can only speak for mine (apparently fit is not consistent) but mine has been ok only a few bits have needed adjusting nothing you wouldn't have to do if you sprayed something before gluing together (removing the paint from the joining surfaces) as for quality of kit one of the best I've seen, painting is superb and I'm sure even without adding the many missing details built oob it would still be an impressive model. All in all so far I would rate the whole kit (packing included)(which is the best of any model I've ever built) 9 out of 10.
So far I'm enjoying it immensely dare I say even more than the big Heller Citroen.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:06 pm

Johnj wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:25 pm Oh, nice one that is looking superb !!!!

I've had my finger hovering over the 'buy' button a few times this year but somethings been holding me back what's the kit like ? Quality ? Fit and finish ? I think i was just worried it was one of these monthly magazine models but in one big box ?
I look forward to following your build, your off to a cracking start
I'm not sure if this is of any help but "modelfixings" do a huge range of screws, bolts, nuts, and washers for a model of this size.

DOOOO IIIITTTTTT

Post by **Johnj** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:02 pm

Lol i think it will be scott. I'll see what cash is left after xmas.

Post by **kpisnuts** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:02 pm

HI ALL I made this connector with some sprue, Paul Coos CD really is a mine of information (loads of reference pics of the actual parts, that's where I got the seams on the exhaust from)

This part is like a little kit in its own right

Post by **Johnj** » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:16 am

This is going to be very impressive when it's done. It'll be interesting to see it next to the 1/6 katana.

Post by **kpisnuts** » Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:20 pm

Hi all i wanted to try and show you all just how big this is so, this is a 1/24 lorry engine.

Now put it on the engine and you get an idea of just how huge this is.

I just couldn't wait here is base colour (No clear lacquer yet)

Post by **kpisnuts** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:58 pm

Well we've been away for the weekend at our friends caravan and I came back to a bit of a disaster

All the plastic parts are fine I couldn't work out what had gone wrong but now I have

No primer, I assume the plastic parts were primed hence they are ok.
I've removed the paint

(Another chance to see how big this is its nearly as long as my thigh)
Now I just have to 're prime it, I'm just wondering if I have enough of the blue left this thing is so big it took nearly a whole can to paint it(admittedly I did both sides of all the parts as I was not sure if the back of any parts could be seen) hopefully no more problems will occur.

Post by **kpisnuts** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:57 pm

Hi all repaired the tank. I have to say I really, really, really love this colour

Made the water pump too.

Did I mention how much I really, really, really love this colour.

Post by **kpisnuts** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:26 pm

Hi all well I've finished the tank and sprayed the clear coat on the rest of the paintwork.

Such a gorgeous colour (even if I do say so myself)

Post by **kpisnuts** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:16 pm

Hi all started adding detail to the starter relay.

Post by **kpisnuts** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:05 pm

Hi all well I've detailed up the battery and added the upgrade kit decal (the smaller decal is the one that came with the kit.

I must say I am surprised with a kit of this size and price of the huge amount of missing detail, mostly seems to be wiring which surely wouldn't be that expensive to add to the kit.

Post by **demarcation** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:25 pm

Fantastic work so far mate!

Post by **kpisnuts** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:37 pm

Hi all started on the fuel system added the butterfly valves made from aluminium foil onto which I put brass leaf.

Then I cut it to fit

Then cut a piece of sprue then halved it.

Covered it with the brass leaf then drilled two holes and added a couple of screws

Post by **kpisnuts** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:29 pm

Hi all bit more added here (this is just the supplied detail loads of wiring and connectors still to add) ( I really don't know why they don't supply varying thicknesses of wire surly it wouldn't add more than a tenner to the cost of the kit)

As I said loads more detail to add but couldn't resist trying it on the engine.

Also got the tyres on the wheels (Man they are heavy, but great quality)

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:11 am

Good god look at the size of it all

By “ try” the engine do you mean start it??

The butterfly valve detail is beyond amazing

Post by **kpisnuts** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:59 am

Thanks very much, much appreciated.

Post by **Kevthemodeller** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:05 pm

I'm watching this with great interest, the level of detail is amazing mate

Post by **kpisnuts** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:59 pm

Thanks mate glad youre liking it, well here's the wiring added to the intake system and said system added to the engine (this thing is getting heavey)

Post by **kpisnuts** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:19 pm

Hi all here is the next bit the exhaust, let me tell you what a horrendous fit, had to use copious amounts of filler first really disappointing bit of the kit, Paul Koo suggests leaving the screws loose then adjusting the gaps by gradually tightening them whilst adjusting the gaps, well the best I managed to reduce it to was 2 mill for a kit of this price I think that is really bad.
Anyway here it is with all the gaps filled.

Not happy with the silver shields they look very plasticky (I know they actually are) will have to try and change that, I'm thinking of trying foil over them)

Post by **kiwigav** » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:09 am

Great progress mate. sweet looking engine

Post by **kpisnuts** » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:24 pm

Hi all I've detailed up the airbox.

My first attempt at the paper filter

My fourth

Post by **kpisnuts** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:08 pm

Hi all well I couldn't resist putting together what I have so far.

This thing is huge. This is a 1/6 bike with a similar size engine.

And it's heavy.

Post by **kpisnuts** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:48 pm

Hi all I've started on the wheels I've made up the disks

I've started weathering it

I've ordered some proper button head sockets for the disks instead of the screws that come with the kit (Another thing missing from the upgrade kit)

Post by **kpisnuts** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:11 pm

Done some to the frame and the swing arm

Couldn't resist trying it with the engine

And the swing arm

Post by **kpisnuts** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:46 pm

Here is the next bit. Got some blue paintwork on it now.

Post by **kpisnuts** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:26 pm

Hi all these are the screws that come with the kit.

At a huge cost of 3.49 for 20 including postage I think these look better

(Ron aka silver911 told me where to get them

Post by **SprueSurgeon** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:52 am

Post by **kpisnuts** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:18 pm

Thanks mate.
Thanks guys.

Hi all here is the next update pocher would have you attach the rear sprocket like this

Thing is the rear sprocket is attached via nuts screwed onto studs so grubs screws were used to fix it.

Then a try of all we have so far.

Post by **kpisnuts** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:43 pm

Hi all well flitting about decided to start on the front fairing it may not look it but it's a fairly complex bit

Post by **sthornton** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:44 am

looks like a good build and great pics better you than me building it id lose half the damn screws etc looking forward to more updates

Post by **kpisnuts** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:44 pm

Moving along now, still a long way to go though, but at least it's looking like a bike now.

Not happy with the oxygen sensor wires I think they're too thick, they're networking wires I don't have anything thinner, any suggestions.

YouTube · Post by **NorthernModeller** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:00 am

The scale of that thing is insane

It looks awesome mate, Loving how this is progressing

Post by **Davethepitch** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:29 pm

Any further progress.

Post by **kpisnuts** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:16 am

Been very busy of late (had my fatherinlaw down from scotland for my daughters wedding) too him back yesterday got in at 2 this morning i have done a small amount to it (nothing worth posting) hoping to get some real time on her tonight so maybe an update layer today or tomorrow.
Thanks for watching, its an epic kit.

Post by **kpisnuts** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:26 pm

Hi all well I've got to say I'm very disappointed with the hardware upgrade kit. I'm not an engineer and I don't have a box of assorted small diameter bolt hexnuts or assorted rods but Paul seems to think anyone buying his kit has them I now have to try and find some threaded rod for the foot pegs, anyway whingeing aside the heal guard is missing the attachment hardware Paul suggests to make sure you can get the centred you cut the heads off the bolts and glue them in place allowing you a chance to centre them

On closer inspection looking at the rear of the part there are two lugs where the bolts go through on the real thing which if drilled from the rear gives you the ability to centre them also giving you the realism of having the bolts sticking out the back once added

The top bolt on this bracket as supplied is a Philips screw.

Paul's solution is to cut the head off a socket screw and glue it over the screw

Post by **kpisnuts** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:08 pm

Hi all finished the rear suspension and made the rear stand as this thing is getting heavy and is not very stable standing on only it's rear wheel and the exhaust