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Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:04 pm
by Vindicare
So being off the hobby for some years i'm now back in force.
I had this Tamiya kit bouth some time ago the Bf109 E3 and i'm slowly getting it done i was just dry fitting when i noticed something.
Now my problem is with the engine cover:
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See A10 the engine cover, now when is assembled in the fuselage has these two openings i guess for refrigeration of the engine, and you can clearly see the inside:
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on the tamiya manual theres no painting instructions at all, it should be the engine right so i should paint it black and drybrush alluminium?
or paint it gunmetal, or rlm02? rml66?
Also another question on the nose machineguns, i plan to replace those with some Master metal barrels and i'd like to have them already painted when mounting the engine cover, how do you guys suggest that i mask them without ripping them off after painting?
or due to the bad location should i just paint everything and then just wing it with a brush to paint them gunmetal?
Re: Me 109 experts help
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:14 pm
by sheppsea
The Eduard E-3 instructions have the engine painted in Mr Metal Color Dark Iron so I would go with the equivalent in the paint you are using

Re: Me 109 experts help
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:44 pm
by Vindicare
tnx mate!
on the Vallejo Metal line could it be Burnt Iron?
Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:22 pm
by Vindicare
Getting stuff ready to be airbrushed, also clear parts are curing after being dipped in Gauzy glass coat
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Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:01 pm
by Vindicare
Primer is done
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and now to let it cure
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don't laugh .. those are cake protectors, i use them to try and protect a bit from dust and to ward off the cleaning lady

Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:23 pm
by Vindicare
small progress going
more priming and airbrush cleaning
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Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:21 pm
by xSCAR45
Some slow and steady progress I see. Good luck and keep up the good work.
I'll be watching!

Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:05 pm
by Vindicare
a little more painting
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Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:10 am
by aur0ra145
Looks like it's coming along well!
Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:42 pm
by SergioSolo
I'm not a plane guy, but this Messerschmit looks cool as hell! Great job so far

Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:13 pm
by Vindicare
it's going slow i hope i dont mess thos up guys

Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:20 pm
by Vindicare
advancing slooooow!
ok so i was dry fitting the radiator wing covers when i noticed that in the front they can be seen clearly.
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from the back they are hidden
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so being a bit anal about this stuff i started trying to mask them,i painted the radiadors with vallejo metal aluminium colour and dark wash from Mig.
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and its done, now with covers glued
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i just hope i will be able to get the masking tape with my trusty tamiya pincers

Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:48 am
by aur0ra145
Looking good! Is that a resin prop?
Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:30 pm
by Vindicare
Yes from Ultracast, wheels and exhaust are also resin
Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:43 pm
by Vindicare
advancing.
masks on clear parts.
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Film applied on the heads up target
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everythinh ready to paint.
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sadly i dropped my tamiya extra thin glue to the floor, and that ended the session, i now have to clean everything

Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:06 pm
by Vindicare
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slow progress
was using those da vinci brushes for wash duty, they are awfull avoid them if you can, need to buy good brushes
plane is now primed with vallejo grey primer.
having lots of problems with this primer

on PE and metal it just comes off, on plastic if you use a scriber or sander it flakes off
going to try to get Ultimate primer for my next build.
Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:31 pm
by Vindicare
Did the preshade.
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things went a bit south, using vallejo air black with flow improver, airbursh kept getting clogged in the tip.
i could not spray for more then 2 seconds without having to clear the tip, i then proceeded to thin the paint more as you can see in some splutters, but even so the airbrush kept clogging i dont understand, it got to the point where it was too thin already and it kept clogging the needle.
started at 24 psi, tryed 20 to 30 psi to see if the clogging stopped but to no avail.
i have been out of the hobby for a while and im sure im very rusty, but ive never had so many problems with mr.colour and tamiya paints on the airbursh.
Really having lots of problems with Vallejo, i wanted to start using healthier paints

Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:45 am
by xSCAR45
Damn! The Styrene Gods are out for your blood, I'd say. Tons of bad luck with this build.
What make and model airbrush are you using? Just curious.
As of right now I use Tamiya paints exclusively. I only have to wipe the tip of the nozzle after every session, not really a problem. I'd say for your next build to buy Tamiya paints. Tamiya has never let me down. I thought about getting AK Interactive paints but they're more expensive. You really can't beat Tamiya for the price, at least in the States.
Hope your luck turns for the better.

Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:21 pm
by Vindicare
iwatta HP-C Plus
can't understand what happened, maybe i didnt shake the paint bottle properly, i did stir it a bit outside the bottle with flow improver but maybe it was not energetic enough
didn't have this problem with the rlm 02, rlm 66 and primer that i already used so can't understatnd what happened, it just clogged
goint to try to find an electric paint mixer and some more testing, i might have not shaken it enough.
Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:09 pm
by Vindicare
Slow progress
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landing gear well painted with vallejo RLM0, was too lazy to mask it
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had to go back to model air black to preshade the landing gear doors, used the mixer with flow improver and tested a bit
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much more control as you can see in this old testing kit, even so it was a bit rebel and sometimes clogged, as i had no problems with the RLM02 vallejo model air it leads me to believe that i might have a defective model air black bottle

Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:59 pm
by Vindicare
masks on wheel well
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used mig masking putty
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some pigments on the exhaust
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several light coats of RLM65 on the bird
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now i leave it to cure a bit

Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:38 pm
by Vindicare
so RLM65 is done
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now first boring mistake, so tamiya says to paint the propeller black but techmod on the same model says to paint it RLM70, so im going to paint it this colour, the mistake was that i primed it black, and now the RLM70 tone is very hard to show, its the second time i paint it with several light layers but its still not showing properly
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and now the part i allways fumble and have lots of problems with ... the masking *fear
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tommorow ill get the RLM02 on it, whish me luck guys because normally i fumble bad with the masking

Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:01 am
by Vindicare
Tamiya instructions, RLM65 underneath the leading edge flaps?
is that correct? should it not be RLM02 ?
Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:04 pm
by Vindicare
RLM02 applied
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nose and propeller still not green enough
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Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:44 pm
by Vindicare
more masking done:
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Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:37 pm
by Vindicare
RLM 71 painted on
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Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:31 pm
by JifJaf
spinner & props look green to me! It is meant to be 'black green' after all, so it would be dark.
Good work so far.
Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:29 pm
by Vindicare
did a last coat just to be shure, its a very dark green

Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:13 pm
by xSCAR45
Nice work so far Vindi!
Glad to see your luck faring better now. I'll have to pick up some of that fine Masking Puddy for myself.
Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:52 pm
by Vindicare
some final adjustments
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Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:42 pm
by Vindicare
Gloss varnish applied:
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it's not very glossy .. maybe i need to make another pass or two.
and now an experiment with the nose
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i hope i dont regret this

Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:29 pm
by Stokesy44
Looking good Sir, lovely crisp colours and nice shading effects.
There's just something about an Emil

Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:08 pm
by Vindicare
Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:16 am
by aur0ra145
Well done with the paint!
Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:38 pm
by Vindicare
the aqua gloss left a rough surface

i have found several people on the internet complaining about it, must have been lack of pressure maybe?
is there some failsafe varnishes one can use like the Ultimate primers? self levelling and easy to apply?
aniway the experiment went well

at leat that hee hee
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so i tried to sand it a bit with 2000 grit tamiya foam, some of the surface is better but then made a mess and got it dirty (foam was not wet shoud it be?) so after a lot of fussing i got it sort of cleaned again, here he is:
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surface is not very good but i think im going for decals aniway, nest time will be better!
Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:14 am
by Vindicare
Sooo having some problems with decals, i tryed some techmod ones but i fumbled, had to remove them and use the tamiya
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some corrections because of the Balkenkreuz i had to remove
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im now a fan of gunze/tamiya paints thinned with laquer for airbrush!
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Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:07 pm
by Vindicare
Decal fun continues:
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tamiya decals are too thick don't know what else to do with them, these have several microsol and tamiya fit strong treatment applied and still they keep thick as new

Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:19 am
by aur0ra145
Looking excellent!
Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:31 pm
by Kevthemodeller
Coming together very nicely

Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:38 pm
by Vindicare
so my gloss coat saga continues.
im now starting to get the hang of X-22 but i need more experience, the model surface is all messed up now with all the products and experiencies i have been applying.
I managed finally to get at least the start of the wet look, but its still far from perfect.
i got some varnish on one of my fingers on the glove and managed to scrap a decal with it the right fuselage Balkenkreuz

i retouched it with a brush and some white and black paints
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poor decal
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you guys think i should now try and sand a little the varnish? or polish it? im afraid of messing things even more, im thinking about going direct to weathering now, what you guys think?
Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:48 pm
by NorthernModeller
Loving it, you cant go wrong with a 109

Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:02 pm
by Vindicare
and so it's finished.
this is my return to the hobby, it has been more then 20 years.
second time using an airbrush
first time using oils and a lot of other stuff.
this model suffered a lot, i used a lot of techniques and products trying to fine tune the ones im going to use the most lots and lots of mistakes but i hope the next one is going to be a little better.
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Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:20 am
by sheppsea
Excellent work

Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:41 pm
by aur0ra145
Vindicare wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:02 pm
and so it's finished.
this is my return to the hobby, it has been more then 20 years.
second time using an airbrush
first time using oils and a lot of other stuff.
this model suffered a lot, i used a lot of techniques and products trying to fine tune the ones im going to use the most lots and lots of mistakes but i hope the next one is going to be a little better.
Really nice finish! It looks awesome!
Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:35 pm
by DrSprue
Wow that looks just awesome!

Re: Tamiya Messerschmit Bf 109 E3
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:48 pm
by Vindicare
tnx mates!