Global Scale Modeller

It past midnight GMT so officially September 1st in UK, thus the WWI GB is under way



I am going to make this kit with those guys




And possibly add that noisy engine thing in a diorama

goody lots of goodies there, Can't wait to see that engine done and how it fits

digger303 wrote: Sat Sep 01, 2018 1:22 am goody lots of goodies there, Can't wait to see that engine done and how it fits

Both engines look really well moulded

Used my Friday night to get started on the Black Dog pilot figure.


He is going to be holding a damaged prop. Citadel is what I am using for wood paint, mixing these three colours and then wood grain with the darkest brown kinda drybrushed onto the brush stroke lines


Mounted the figure onto a lead weighted cork and got the prop pretty much finished...I cut up the right end to look as though it had been hit by something.

Very nice indeed and lots of extras.

I'm looking forward to this one Scott some really nice goodies

Kevthemodeller wrote: Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:08 am I'm looking forward to this one Scott some really nice goodies

pourquoi61 wrote: Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:16 am Very nice indeed and lots of extras.

Cheers you two
I have some pretty extensive diorama ideas for this one if I can make it all work out.
I may take some longer time than the gb runs
Not really interested in prizes or winning anything so will kibosh my entry so as to not qualify for that kinda stuff...thus no pressure and let others take the forefront. I love the motivation of the group build as we work on similar topics, just backing away from competing.
Scott

Watching this, as the SE.5 and 5A are my favourite British WW1 fighter's.

darrengreenwood wrote: Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:05 pm Watching this, as the SE.5 and 5A are my favourite British WW1 fighter's.

bud, will try not to let you down

Got stuck in on the first pilot figure this morning
These are my research models


I started with a Ultimate black prime...very thin dusting
Then did an almost dry brush of flesh on skin areas with Ultimate Red Oxide and White mix..this bases the skin tone and let’s me layer on top







Then a dry brush of Ultimate gelb for the clothing and darker oxide/gelb mix for the boots


So far this is kinda fun. I will start building colors on top of these...likely Citadel and Vallejo

Well this makes a change, one normally starts with the cockpit.
I might save up a buy a Wingnut Wings plane, but I shall be on holiday soo so it will have to wait.
Love the damaged prop.

High noon on the West Coast and I kinda just kept rolling along with this guy
Combo of Ultimate’s and Citadel paints
Now maybe a flat or a gloss, not sure




Vs a 1/72 WWII pilot

pourquoi61 wrote: Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:04 pm Well this makes a change, one normally starts with the cockpit.
I might save up a buy a Wingnut Wings plane, but I shall be on holiday soo so it will have to wait.
Love the damaged prop.

Ya well I think I am a bit intimidated to get started into the actual kit
I will likely skip forward and do the kit’s engine up first as I know what I am doing with engines
Just got stuck on the figure and was having fun
Holding his prop..other than his broken thumb

With eyes now

Ok, walk through this engine build up with me



Now the instructions for the engine have no step numbers and read starting left side top to bottom, not left to right across the page like one might expect ok no problem, we can handle that and not a big deal as it is obvious once you look at the steps that need to occur. I wrote out the color call outs...well because it is so hard for them to just write the damn color in. No problem, lots of manufacturers do that annoying code BS in instruction. We are all good, right??

All the parts are on one tidy sprue, nicely moulded. Wonderful WingNuts
So let’s cut the heads off the sprue...have a close look at the little gate attachment points (red arrow) and how far along they extend inward. And what are those chunks (blue arrows)? Ejector pin marks of DEATH!!!



When you cut those parts off the tree with your super sharp special cutters, cause this is a freaking expensive kit and you don’t want flash, it leaves a little residue plastic on the inner, intimate surface of each part ie on both sides where they are supposed to join, not the external visible area of the part. WTF, that doesn’t let the parts seat



Are you kidding me. When I started with the oil pan, it had freaking HUGE chunks sticking out blocking from seating. I thought they were guide pins or something they were so big.... but no just huge extra plastic chunks blocking the fit
On the heads, the excess plastic spots on each side of the inner part of those tube shapes will stop them from sitting tight
WTH. I honestly expected more as this is tricky extra work cleaning them off as those damn tube things flex and want to break off when you file, sand or scrape them.
This kit better improve from here on.
I have the Roden engine, bet it doesn’t have any of this crap to deal with

Heads and oil pan put together and then put up on my engine stand. Looks like I need to do some seam putty hey

I don’t know guys, not impressed so far spectacular WNW, hmmm
Call me a heritic, but that is more work than need be

Like the way this is heading and I need some figure painting tips or a whole skill set

The prop and figure look great mate

Hmm I do share your points over the fit of the engine parts base on what you've posted, they aren't what I was expecting from WNW I've got this kit in my stash and a few others which I plan to build over the winter, I'll let you know how I get on.

It looks like the cylinders haven't seated correctly on the crankcase for some reason. I've not seen any comments on other WW1 aircraft modelling sites I belong to about the fit of this kits engine parts, it's all the opposite, so like you I'm very surprised. Is it possible you've missed something along the mating surfaces which is holding things off mate?

Nice work on the figure! As for the big chunk of plastic you highlighted I thought these kits were supposed to be almost perfect? Oh, well, you've sorted a few challenges before.

DBMiller wrote: Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:18 pm Nice work on the figure! As for the big chunk of plastic you highlighted I thought these kits were supposed to be almost perfect? Oh, well, you've sorted a few challenges before.

I had the same sky high expectations....perfection
I can easily sort out the problems of the mould, just very surprised at the sloppy internals of the mouldings that seriously affect fit
For someone new to modelling these could be very frustrating
The external detail of the moulds are gorgeous. I am half way through the engine basics and it looks good. Have just started cutting off bits to super detail it a touch so I am back in my wheelhouse so to speak, hacking away

Kevthemodeller wrote: Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:51 am The prop and figure look great mate

Hmm I do share your points over the fit of the engine parts base on what you've posted, they aren't what I was expecting from WNW I've got this kit in my stash and a few others which I plan to build over the winter, I'll let you know how I get on.

It looks like the cylinders haven't seated correctly on the crankcase for some reason. I've not seen any comments on other WW1 aircraft modelling sites I belong to about the fit of this kits engine parts, it's all the opposite, so like you I'm very surprised. Is it possible you've missed something along the mating surfaces which is holding things off mate?

Everything is loose dry fit in that photo..meant to show the seams I had to fill
I had very high expectations of part fit and was blown away by intruding sprue and casting remnants interfering
In my readings, I was warned about such tight fit parameters that all mating surfaces cannot have paint on them or things won’t go together.
Ok, but I didn’t expect sloppy internals. Often my high expectations of things prove wrong and get me in trouble or jaded.

Oh well, More later

I have been watching this build of the Sopwith Snipe by Scale-a-ton and it looks like he also had to do some heavy work on the engine.

bdub wrote: Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:00 pm I have been watching this build of the Sopwith Snipe by Scale-a-ton and it looks like he also had to do some heavy work on the engine.

Interesting.
I am dealing with it allnow, just expected more
Have a look at this stop motion video of a SE5a

Wow - you didn't hang about cracking on with this did you?!?!?

Great work on the figure with the prop

Like everyone else I'm really taken aback by the casting issues you've seen on that engine - I thought these were supposed to be flawless!

Anyways - knock it into shape and show it who's boss

Tomcat64 wrote: Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:34 pm Wow - you didn't hang about cracking on with this did you?!?!?

Great work on the figure with the prop

Like everyone else I'm really taken aback by the casting issues you've seen on that engine - I thought these were supposed to be flawless!

Anyways - knock it into shape and show it who's boss

Oh yeah, this engine is gonna be sweet...doing it up like I did the Bugatti T35

Sunday working on the Hisso engine.
The kit one is nice but no wiring

The research pics


Wiring harnesses out of aluminum






BMF hose clamps cut on my new cutting mat






Half wired up.

wow ...

Like that video as well, he was impressive no a hand tremor to be seen....it ain't fair

digger303 wrote: Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:26 am wow ...

Like that video as well, he was impressive no a hand tremor to be seen....it ain't fair

He has to be a surgeon or a something. He always has some cool and unique techniques for doing stuff. His talent isn't fair though. He has zero hand shake and uses some cheap $20 airbrush and does amazing paint work.

Flt Captain Corker and his Hisso engine sitting on a Rhoden Viper engine stand
That’s complicated, no





Got the wiring done for the engine, just some paint touch ups from my fondlings and a few bits to add
Then ready to start the cockpit...oh yeah, so excited

The engine looks great Scott

Just so I can get this straight, as I'm a little confused now

The engine you've built is the WNW one but on the Rhoden stand right? Where did/does the gray stand come from and is the black stand out of the Rhoden kit?

Fairly steaming ahead with this build, Scott. The dude looks perfect, and the extra engine work is totally worth it

Awesome work detailing that engine up

Superb work on that engine and figure

Kevthemodeller wrote: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:10 am The engine looks great Scott

Just so I can get this straight, as I'm a little confused now

The engine you've built is the WNW one but on the Rhoden stand right? Where did/does the gray stand come from and is the black stand out of the Rhoden kit?

It gets worse Kev

It is a modified Wingnuts Wing Hisso engine
Sitting on a black Roden base and Roden grey stand ..that I had to modify as it had no cross bracing
With a Black Dog resin propellor
The figure is Black Dog resin as well

I am sure the cork was an Italian Prosecco

Capise?? Clear as mud

I will start the rest of the WNW kit now and this Hisso engine goes into it.
The Roden engine is the Wolesey Viper that will be used in the diorama sitting out

InvalidUsername wrote: Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:44 am Superb work on that engine and figure

Thank you

Better lighting pics

That's cool Scott really great job on the figure and the engine mate

Super work so far! I am excited to see more progress.

Ben

Oh shite

My engine will not fit Back into the fuselage
I don’t mean a couple tweaks here and a nip there....everything I did on the outside lateral surfaces of the heads is way too big.
And I mean WAAAAYYY too big

So, looks like we are building this out as an engine swap diorama with the Wolesey Viper engine being put in by mechanics in a field workspace.
I have ordered two period workmen and started the second engine
I am thinking they are either lowering the viper into the fuselage on a chain or standing around scratching their heads how it is gonna fit. The Roden kit has an extra stand that looks suspiciously like hoist material to me, so I will likely modify it to dangle either engine off the chain.

Well sometimes things kinda happen and put you on a certain path and this is how it is going to go

Nice work so far.

Man if i was able to Id take some photos at the Peter Jackson WW1 plane museum for you, its about 2hrs drive from my home.

good luck with the build

kiwigav wrote: Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:58 pm Nice work so far.

Man if i was able to Id take some photos at the Peter Jackson WW1 plane museum for you, its about 2hrs drive from my home.

good luck with the build

I bet it is spectacular Gav

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:52 pm Oh shite

My engine will not fit Back into the fuselage
I don’t mean a couple tweaks here and a nip there....everything I did on the outside lateral surfaces of the heads is way too big.
And I mean WAAAAYYY too big

So, looks like we are building this out as an engine swap diorama with the Wolesey Viper engine being put in by mechanics in a field workspace.
I have ordered two period workmen and started the second engine
I am thinking they are either lowering the viper into the fuselage on a chain or standing around scratching their heads how it is gonna fit. The Roden kit has an extra stand that looks suspiciously like hoist material to me, so I will likely modify it to dangle either engine off the chain.

Well sometimes things kinda happen and put you on a certain path and this is how it is going to go

That's a damn shame, are you able to put up a pic to show the problem ? Would it have fitted if those enhancments weren't there. Just asking for my future plans.

digger303 wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:35 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:52 pm Oh shite

My engine will not fit Back into the fuselage
I don’t mean a couple tweaks here and a nip there....everything I did on the outside lateral surfaces of the heads is way too big.
And I mean WAAAAYYY too big

So, looks like we are building this out as an engine swap diorama with the Wolesey Viper engine being put in by mechanics in a field workspace.
I have ordered two period workmen and started the second engine
I am thinking they are either lowering the viper into the fuselage on a chain or standing around scratching their heads how it is gonna fit. The Roden kit has an extra stand that looks suspiciously like hoist material to me, so I will likely modify it to dangle either engine off the chain.

Well sometimes things kinda happen and put you on a certain path and this is how it is going to go

That's a damn shame, are you able to put up a pic to show the problem ? Would it have fitted if those enhancments weren't there. Just asking for my future plans.

It is no big deal, will just display the Hisso instead of the Roden
All the spark plug wiring and harness stuff hit the edge of the fuselage so there is no way for it to seat into the locator areas
Sorry can’t do a photo at the moment as I have shaved out the internal cast wires and have primed the entire internals of the fuselage Mr Surfacer 500 in anticipation of painting the interior wood and linen areas.

I will get you some pics of it and of the Roden engine...it is definitely more crude in casting and engineering but will look just fine

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:04 am

digger303 wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:35 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:52 pm Oh shite

My engine will not fit Back into the fuselage
I don’t mean a couple tweaks here and a nip there....everything I did on the outside lateral surfaces of the heads is way too big.
And I mean WAAAAYYY too big

So, looks like we are building this out as an engine swap diorama with the Wolesey Viper engine being put in by mechanics in a field workspace.
I have ordered two period workmen and started the second engine
I am thinking they are either lowering the viper into the fuselage on a chain or standing around scratching their heads how it is gonna fit. The Roden kit has an extra stand that looks suspiciously like hoist material to me, so I will likely modify it to dangle either engine off the chain.

Well sometimes things kinda happen and put you on a certain path and this is how it is going to go

That's a damn shame, are you able to put up a pic to show the problem ? Would it have fitted if those enhancments weren't there. Just asking for my future plans.

It is no big deal, will just display the Hisso instead of the Roden
All the spark plug wiring and harness stuff hit the edge of the fuselage so there is no way for it to seat into the locator areas
Sorry can’t do a photo at the moment as I have shaved out the internal cast wires and have primed the entire internals of the fuselage Mr Surfacer 500 in anticipation of painting the interior wood and linen areas.

I will get you some pics of it and of the Roden engine...it is definitely more crude in casting and engineering but will look just fine

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:52 pm Oh shite

My engine will not fit Back into the fuselage
I don’t mean a couple tweaks here and a nip there....everything I did on the outside lateral surfaces of the heads is way too big.
And I mean WAAAAYYY too big

So, looks like we are building this out as an engine swap diorama with the Wolesey Viper engine being put in by mechanics in a field workspace.
I have ordered two period workmen and started the second engine
I am thinking they are either lowering the viper into the fuselage on a chain or standing around scratching their heads how it is gonna fit. The Roden kit has an extra stand that looks suspiciously like hoist material to me, so I will likely modify it to dangle either engine off the chain.

Well sometimes things kinda happen and put you on a certain path and this is how it is going to go

Oh know that's not right mate something diffidently going wrong here My understanding is all the WNW kits the engines are built up to completion first, then fitted into the the air frame, take a look here it clearly shows the engine fully build and out of the air frame have you added more to the air frame than is in these pictures. https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/ind ... ent-514322

Kevthemodeller wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:53 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:52 pm Oh shite

My engine will not fit Back into the fuselage
I don’t mean a couple tweaks here and a nip there....everything I did on the outside lateral surfaces of the heads is way too big.
And I mean WAAAAYYY too big

So, looks like we are building this out as an engine swap diorama with the Wolesey Viper engine being put in by mechanics in a field workspace.
I have ordered two period workmen and started the second engine
I am thinking they are either lowering the viper into the fuselage on a chain or standing around scratching their heads how it is gonna fit. The Roden kit has an extra stand that looks suspiciously like hoist material to me, so I will likely modify it to dangle either engine off the chain.

Well sometimes things kinda happen and put you on a certain path and this is how it is going to go

Oh know that's not right mate something diffidently going wrong here My understanding is all the WNW kits the engines are built up to completion first, then fitted into the the air frame, take a look here it clearly shows the engine fully build and out of the air frame have you added more to the air frame than is in these pictures. https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/ind ... ent-514322

Holy molars, that is an excellent build reference....in fact very humbling
I think I may set my build on fire now

I used a more rigid ignition wire and my aluminum tubes block the engine from seating down
So yes, I have added more lateral dimension both sides

There are two seating points on the crankcase that cannot go into their holes on the supports
A smarter man would have got the fuslage out to test this fitment before diving off the deep end in construction.
Clearly I am not that smarter man
Oh well it will be ok. I will follow along with that reference, thank you so much for it

Ah right O, I thought it didn't seem right glad you've got it sorted

I wouldn't start being too hard on yourself ref the link build standard and yours, which isn't the best I've seen by some way

These guys have been building these for some time and have learnt all the tricks and where the pit falls are, if I can get mine (when I start them) even close to yours I'll be happy mate

Kevthemodeller wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:48 pm Ah right O, I thought it didn't seem right glad you've got it sorted

I wouldn't start being too hard on yourself ref the link build standard and yours, which isn't the best I've seen by some way

These guys have been building these for some time and have learnt all the tricks and where the pit falls are, if I can get mine (when I start them) even close to yours I'll be happy mate

Do you have more references and ones BETTER that that guy’s ???....wow
I would love to see those, I think
I am a complete asshat and buggered the engine fit all myself

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:23 pm Do you have more references and ones BETTER that that guy’s ???....wow
I would love to see those, I think

Use the same website just type in Wingnut Wings in the search box and fill your boots

Kevthemodeller wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:39 pm

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:23 pm Do you have more references and ones BETTER that that guy’s ???....wow
I would love to see those, I think

Use the same website just type in Wingnut Wings in the search box and fill your boots

The Brit modeled one??

Yep

Just go through what the search pulls up and select those you want to look at

Kevthemodeller wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:36 pm Yep

Just go through what the search pulls up and select those you want to look at

That site is annoying. I keep getting “wait 26 seconds for search” error messages
It is not negotiable for me