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Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:31 pm
by Twokidsnosleep
I am supposed to be far out in space with the sig, but here I am stuck to the ground addicted to a F1 car
Now not any F1 car, this is a 1997 Constructor's Champion and Driver Champion who just happens to be a Canadian...Jacques Villeneuve
Quite a story to that season, get to that later.
It is a beautiful car and the last to run a Renault engine and the last big success for Williams.
This is a FB group build on another site. I like the sequential posts of our forum so I will post more of the build here.

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The kit.
Revell, ahem yes revell, 1/24 scale
This is not even JV’s car by the front wing colours.
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It is piss poor on detail with soft plastic and soft blobs of detail areas
The decals are nice, but have all wrinkled up on the paper and look to imminently explode when they touch water
I have purchased Rothman decals from Indycals in the proper 1/24 scale but for the FW16 unfortunately only available ...meh the colours are not vibrant again. Not so impressed with this company honestly.
I will have to paint the livery and pray I can attach the decals over it
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So this build has an opportunity for me to have it blow up in my face and fail miserably.
As Mike Tyson says "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face" :lol:

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:35 pm
by Twokidsnosleep
A smart man would tuck into the body work and test out those decals
I am not that smart man, I did the rear clip and tested the wheel decals. You can see a tear on every yellow OZ decal

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Amazingly Revell put the sprue attachment points in the middle of the wheel instead of right on the outer rim....amazingly. So I could paint them on the tree.
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Then I messed with the engine area...hard to find a really good detail reference photo of this :think: :scratch::
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Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:39 pm
by Twokidsnosleep
Ok so hold on now cause we are about to go for a loop :crazy:
I am getting the notion to spray the body and I see I cannot get seams closed as it needs the front arms attached and the cockpit installed
Hmmm :scratch:: The engine area will be completely covered over and nothing show...basically a curb side

SO I did what any normal person would do....I cut off the engine cowling and attached four 1mm rare earth metal magnets to clip it back on
Actually a normal person would have made it curb side :lol:

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Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:40 pm
by Kevthemodeller
Oh this should be good, looking forward to following along Scott :th:

Some warm water and decal set should sort the decals, just be careful :th:

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:42 pm
by Twokidsnosleep
So now we have:
*Shaky decals
*Minimal reference photos for adding detail
*Cowling cut off and seams to tighten up
*Huge potential for just one decal to fail and ruin everything
*No brains or common sense in my head
What in the hell am i doing?? :think: :shock:

Last night I started to measure out the heat protection layer for the engine bay floor
Using foil gum wrappers...they can be spray painted fyi
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Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:43 pm
by Twokidsnosleep
Kevthemodeller wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:40 pm Oh this should be good, looking forward to following along Scott :th:

Some warm water and decal set should sort the decals, just be careful :th:
:cheers2:
Exactly, but....
"everyone has a plan unit they get punched in the mouth"
:lol:

I was a bit worried to show this as a build thread, but people like carnage too so what the heck

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:59 am
by Twokidsnosleep
Opened up the snorkel and messed with the body panels a bit.
The magnets are great as a stable repeatable position for aligning things

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Nice colour schematic I found of the car :thumb2:
I ordered a set of 1/24 carbon fibre decal today. Was looking for an extra set of kit decals, but nope

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Also found Studio 27 made a 1/20 version of this car. It is about $300. Have to think about that one :o

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:03 am
by Tomcat64
Just caught up with this one - nice work with the magnets and hoping you get the decals sorted out as it's one of those iconic schemes and the last World Championship for Williams to date (and sadly they don't look like getting back up there anytime soon :( ).

Are you all set for reference photos now? I'm happy to have a trawl through my F1 books to see if I've got anything in there if it'd help?

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:25 pm
by Twokidsnosleep
Tomcat64 wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:03 am Just caught up with this one - nice work with the magnets and hoping you get the decals sorted out as it's one of those iconic schemes and the last World Championship for Williams to date (and sadly they don't look like getting back up there anytime soon :( ).

Are you all set for reference photos now? I'm happy to have a trawl through my F1 books to see if I've got anything in there if it'd help?
Oh wow thanks.
If you have a shot of the rear clip...engine and transmission from above that would be great
I have yet to see a clear shot from that angle
I think they kept this car pretty secret as the cowlings seem to stay on in all photos I can find
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Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:21 pm
by Tomcat64
Ok I'll take a look this evening and see what I've got. I've got a niggling thought that I've got HHF's FW19 from the same year in die-cast up in the attic too, I don't know how much detail that'll have (or even if the covers come off) but if I get chance I'll see if I can dig it out this weekend.

I guess you've seen this one?
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Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:07 pm
by Twokidsnosleep
Tomcat64 wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:21 pm Ok I'll take a look this evening and see what I've got. I've got a niggling thought that I've got HHF's FW19 from the same year in die-cast up in the attic too, I don't know how much detail that'll have (or even if the covers come off) but if I get chance I'll see if I can dig it out this weekend.

I guess you've seen this one?
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Yes got that one

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:49 am
by Twokidsnosleep
Doing some engine detail while I wait for the 1/24 carbon fibre decal that is holding me up a bit.

Some nice pics of this great Renault RS9 V10 engine
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I added some 0.4mm metal rivets into the cylinder head


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Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:27 am
by Kevthemodeller
It's all moving along very nicely Scott :th:

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:16 pm
by Tomcat64
Sorry Scott - no joy with photos of the back-end so far. It didn't help that a couple of the books were printed before the 1997 season #feelingbloodyold

I'll keep my eye out for you though.

Nice progress in any case :)

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:20 pm
by Twokidsnosleep
Cheers Kev and Neil, I really do appreciate the support guys :th: :thumb1:
I had planned to get that black Renault cover on the heads, but chose the Canadian route and watched hockey instead
#goblues, may Boston rot in hell

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Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:30 am
by Twokidsnosleep
I spent some time in the hangout working on the engine bay details.
After a few hours of debriefing and mental therapy this is what I got done...

Valve cover details and wires
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Water pipe return and sensor
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Then I worked on an air box to the radiator in the LHS
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I may park this a while whilst I wait for my carbon fibre to show up
I should get the space build going, but this F1 build is under my skin. Been reading and watching many videos, falling down the rabbit hole of the Internet.
Realizing M Schumacher was a bit of a COMPLETE jerk

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:12 am
by Modelfreek
Very nice work! The engine is looking particularly tasty and a good idea about the magnets.
I do remember that bit of argy bargy between Villeneuve and Schumacher back in the day
And thinking Jacques was a bit more of a gentleman racer than old schumy. Front seat for this build.

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Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:13 pm
by Twokidsnosleep
Modelfreek wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:12 am Very nice work! The engine is looking particularly tasty and a good idea about the magnets.
I do remember that bit of argy bargy between Villeneuve and Schumacher back in the day
And thinking Jacques was a bit more of a gentleman racer than old schumy. Front seat for this build.

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Cheers mate :cheers2:
Having a lot of fun with this build though difficult as references are spotty
Last night I read a bit on an auto detailer who went to a mansion in England for a job and the car collection had both of the Williams F1’s from 1996! Rabbit hole kind of stuff, time waster :roll:
As per schumy, there is an old saying “never meet your heroes as they are sure to disappoint you”...a number of men who drove F1 cars definitely fall into that category for me
Thanks for following along :cheers2:

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:01 pm
by jmurphy18
Awesome looking build so far Scott! A lost of work here. :th: Your idea with the removable cowel is impressive and very creative :cheers2:

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:58 am
by Twokidsnosleep
A gentleman in Australia..do they have gentlemen there???...posted on FB that my water hoses were wrong.
I turned them around so they dive down toward the radiator now
The dude was a Williams mechanic in the past so I felt it wise to listen :shock:

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Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:08 am
by Modelfreek
Twokidsnosleep wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:58 am A gentleman in Australia..do they have gentlemen there???...posted on FB that my water hoses were wrong.
I turned them around so they dive down toward the radiator now
The dude was a Williams mechanic in the past so I felt it wise to listen :shock:

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Lol....... :shock: hey! I resemble that remark!

Yeah the rivet counters strike again. You know the type.... anorak wearing parking inspectors.
Liking the progress though. :th:

:cheers2:

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:42 am
by Twokidsnosleep
Modelfreek wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:08 am
Twokidsnosleep wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:58 am A gentleman in Australia..do they have gentlemen there???...posted on FB that my water hoses were wrong.
I turned them around so they dive down toward the radiator now
The dude was a Williams mechanic in the past so I felt it wise to listen :shock:

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Lol....... :shock: hey! I resemble that remark!

Yeah the rivet counters strike again. You know the type.... anorak wearing parking inspectors.
Liking the progress though. :th:

:cheers2:
This dude worked for Williams racing...he is the real deal. Hoping the inside track to detail pics awaits :D

Sunday’s worth of modelling:
Decanted the Tamiya gold spray
Sprayed Ultimate white prime, Tamiya LP white and tested the rear wing decals...verdict is lovely, but fragile!!
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Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:23 am
by Twokidsnosleep
Calling no joy on the help...”no pictures and it’s 22 years ago”
FFS :wall: stay off the computer then
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Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:04 am
by Twokidsnosleep
Ha Ha, I hit the jackpot :banana: :banana: :banana:
I found the exact garage pics I wanted but of a FW18 .....that is as close as I am gonna get :think:

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Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:49 pm
by bfrd
Beggers can't be choosers, those are some awesome pictures. Magnificent Mechanical Marvels of Motion. (Scott is really into alliteration, so I like to throw him a bone).

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:20 pm
by Twokidsnosleep
bfrd wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:49 pm Beggers can't be choosers, those are some awesome pictures. Magnificent Mechanical Marvels of Motion. (Scott is really into alliteration, so I like to throw him a bone).
Trés bien mon ami :thumb2:

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:15 pm
by jmurphy18
Excellent work here Scott ! I bow to your dedication and hard work on this :bow:: :cheers2:

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:21 pm
by Tay99
Nice work so far Scott. Never seen this kit before. Some great looking ref pic as well.👍

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:20 pm
by Twokidsnosleep
jmurphy18 wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:15 pm Excellent work here Scott ! I bow to your dedication and hard work on this :bow:: :cheers2:
Einstein had a saying that applies to me.....the latter part :tongue:

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Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:26 pm
by Twokidsnosleep
Tay99 wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:21 pm Nice work so far Scott. Never seen this kit before. Some great looking ref pic as well.👍
Ya not bad hey for photos.
The Revell kit is crap and I would have splurged for the Studio 27 1/20 version had I know it existed.
The photos are of the season's before car...Damon Hill's FW18 that won a championship and Jacques Villeneuve was his race partner
SO there might be subtle differences to the FW19 the next year, but an absolute mother load of detail shown :banana:
I was bugging the Williams tech that they must have dropped their camera early in '97 and couldn't afford to buy another one ;)
He didn't reply after that :lol:

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:39 pm
by Kevthemodeller
Great pictures Scott, expecting high levels of detailing now :th: no pressure :lol: :lol: :lol: :th: :th: :cheers2:

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:49 pm
by Twokidsnosleep
Kevthemodeller wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:39 pm Great pictures Scott, expecting high levels of detailing now :th: no pressure :lol: :lol: :lol: :th: :th: :cheers2:
We shall see.
There are clearly some issues with kit arrangements from Revell
I wont get every nut and bolt, but I can get some larger part and wirings represented now
I am so stoked...and of course found those photos late Sunday night right before a work week so have to wait a bit to get at it

:cheers2: for looking Kev, appreciate it bud :D

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:32 pm
by Twokidsnosleep
jmurphy18 wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:01 pm Awesome looking build so far Scott! A lost of work here. :th: Your idea with the removable cowel is impressive and very creative :cheers2:
Sorry John, I missed your comment
Thanks for following along bud :thumb2:

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:06 am
by jmurphy18
Scott said “ genius.......”
ROTFLMAO
:banana:

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:14 am
by Twokidsnosleep
Got some flooring done tonight after dinner and chores
Added the heat insulation to the rear area. Gum wrappers cut to shape and white glue

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Also Painted the gloss black on the rear wing parts that will receive the carbon fibre decal, when it gets here, eventually
Those bits are tucked way so I no touchy!

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:23 am
by Kevthemodeller
Great looking heat reflective foil Scott :th: :clap:

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:48 am
by Tomcat64
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Great work on the extra detailing and awesome photos too.

I'll send you a postcard from hell later this week if the unimaginable happens :)

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:10 pm
by Twokidsnosleep
Cheers guys :cheers2: :cheers2:
I stayed up past my bedtime last night doing that and am paying the price this morning :shock:

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:52 pm
by Hawkmoon
All looking good and nice work.

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:03 am
by Twokidsnosleep
Hawkmoon wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:52 pm All looking good and nice work.
:cheers2:
:D

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:40 am
by Shunter
Looks great Scott, one that doesn’t get enough credit due to it being 1/24th s ale...

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:15 pm
by Twokidsnosleep
Shunter wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:40 am Looks great Scott, one that doesn’t get enough credit due to it being 1/24th s ale...
Indeed...and it is a shite kit :? :crazy: :wtf: :shock:
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Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:31 am
by Twokidsnosleep
Ok , ya, ummm so I am supposed to be building an x wing. But that is boring compared to this cool car so she is back out of her box and on full swing. I will switch to x wing when it hits me...probably at the painting step for this😱

So three big things done on the Williams on Saturday
First the Cockpit:
I used painted napkin and painted foil gum wrapper to make the tan sides and seatbelts respectively. All white PVA glued down.
Some carbon fibre accents added as well. I also re-did the steering wheel attachment in aluminum with a telescoping brass pin so the wheel can turn and come on and off.

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Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:35 am
by Twokidsnosleep
Second was Tire valves:

Using my little box of tubes...
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I addd a valve stem in each wheel.
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Tap and die set used to thread the brass for a base and then a smaller brass pin goes through for the valve. A bit over size, but it was the smallest brass I had.
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Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:40 am
by Hawkmoon
All looking good and nice work :th: :cheers2: :banana:

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:44 am
by Twokidsnosleep
Third job The Rear Wing:

These things are a pain in the azz on F1 models...floppy, poorly indexed for assembly and delicate in position

The Williams has tricky CF and Rothmans split decals...they came out ok.
The Studio 27 1/24 scale carbon fibre was a joy to work with....lovely stuff indeed 8-)
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The attachment point of the wing to the rear end was a pathetic useless nub from Revell :wall:
So I threaded some brass tube, tapped in some matching threads into the rear plastic and Ca glued in the tube.
To the wing’s base, I cut off the kit tab and drilled a hole for a brass pin.
Now the pin slides into the tube and they fit together precisely and can be adjusted or even removed

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So here she sits for the night
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Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:44 am
by Twokidsnosleep
Hawkmoon wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:40 am All looking good and nice work :th: :cheers2: :banana:
Thanks...you are up early for a Sunday mate ;) :D
I am just heading to bed
:cheers2:

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:02 am
by Shunter
Oh you just have to love the Revell rear wings...😁
It’s certainly looking the goods.

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:40 pm
by Twokidsnosleep
Shunter wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:02 am Oh you just have to love the Revell rear wings...😁
It’s certainly looking the goods.
:cheers2: bud
:D

Re: Williams Renault FW 19

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:47 pm
by jmurphy18
Looking really good Scott!! Lots of excellent work you have accomplished here! :th: :cheers2: