I recently watched an excellent documentary on Netflix called Apache Warrior. It told the tale of an attack on Iraqi targets at the start of the conflict.
My entry will be a tribute to these wonderful machines it isn't anything political to do with the conflict in Iraq. Any of that non-sense popping up in this thread will be removed. I haven't decided on the livery yet depends on what aftermarket I can find.
Here is the box.
The kit is small at 1:72 which will be challenging for me. But at least it will fit in the spray booth! There are two main sprues with only a couple additional smaller sprues.
I have found a suitable aftermarket decal set!
I will be using the "19" scheme which is for the 6-6 Cav as flown on the Karbala Attack (which is what the documentary above is about). Super-happy that I found exactly what I wanted.
I also picked up a mask set and some colored PE for the pit!
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:24 pm
by Tomcat64
I love the Apache - there's definitely something about the menacing silhouette that leaves you in no doubt that you are in serious trouble if you're on the receiving end.
Looking forward to seeing how this builds up and adding another kit to the "seriously no more new kits list"
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:59 pm
by jmurphy18
Very cool Apache build
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:37 pm
by Quax
Looking forward to following your build Matthew!
Paul
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:29 pm
by Twokidsnosleep
Cool project
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:01 pm
by Kevthemodeller
Looking forward to this one, best of luck with the build mate
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:30 pm
by digger303
The Apache is definitely one of the new iconic aircraft of the modern era.....doesn't it look truly dangerous..
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:39 am
by Stokesy44
Looking forward to this.
I really like the Apache, its got that nasty brutal functional look about it. And it always looks dirty.
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:51 am
by digger303
Stokesy44 wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:39 am
Looking forward to this.
I really like the Apache, its got that nasty brutal functional look about it. And it always looks dirty.
Yes you see one of these suckers coming towards you and your first thought wouldn't be it's coming over for a friendly chat....
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:44 am
by bfrd
I was able to grab a few images from the documentary to show the kind of damage these aircraft were able to survive.
And no, I won't be attempting that!
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:59 am
by digger303
bfrd wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:44 am
I was able to grab a few images from the documentary to show the kind of damage these aircraft were able to survive.
And no, I won't be attempting that!
That's pretty cool....
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:35 pm
by Donkeywalloper
I fancied having a go at one of these roundy, roundy, winged things.
This looks a splendid little project chap .
Shall pull up the and prepare to be amazed.
DW
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:38 pm
by jmurphy18
I was working at a base where the were stationed and got to watch them in action when I would go out the airfield to do a job. They are awesome.
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:53 pm
by TommyKillander
Excellent choice!
Good luck with the build!
Tommy
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:51 pm
by bfrd
Got the detail set and masks. Can finally get started!
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:46 am
by Twokidsnosleep
I had a watch of the Netflix docu you mentioned.
These kind of shows make me mad when I see the stupidity of military minds that put lives and equipment in danger.
Adaptation to a situation might be a good objective next time. Flying through a shitstorm of variety of arms whilst low to the ground is not wise. Then turning around and doing it again to go back to an unprepared rendezvous site is even stupider.
At the very least, I would have been lawn mowing my way back with every weapon at my disposal; Shoot at everything, clear a path, make them run for cover and their fβing lives.
But then they are not allowed indiscriminate fire...which is BS when you are getting that from your enemy.
Amazing that those birds took all that damage and got everyone back safely. Amazing.
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:25 am
by digger303
Twokidsnosleep wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:46 am
I had a watch of the Netflix docu you mentioned.
These kind of shows make me mad when I see the stupidity of military minds that put lives and equipment in danger.
Adaptation to a situation might be a good objective next time. Flying through a shitstorm of variety of arms whilst low to the ground is not wise. Then turning around and doing it again to go back to an unprepared rendezvous site is even stupider.
At the very least, I would have been lawn mowing my way back with every weapon at my disposal; Shoot at everything, clear a path, make them run for cover and their fβing lives.
But then they are not allowed indiscriminate fire...which is BS when you are getting that from your enemy.
Amazing that those birds took all that damage and got everyone back safely. Amazing.
.........
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:33 am
by bfrd
I got some of the cockpit put together. The PE requires that the molded detail be carved off.
Just about everything is painted NATO black.
The pre-painted PE looks great.
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:25 am
by digger303
yeah I'm a big fan of the pre painted PE, fantastic stuff.
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:28 pm
by jmurphy18
Sweet, the cockpit and PE look awesome
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:32 pm
by TommyKillander
Great stuff!
Tommy
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:19 pm
by Quax
Looks great so far Matthew and a little familiar... the pe certainly looks the part
Paul
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:56 am
by Tomcat64
Lovely work on the cockpit Matthew
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:33 am
by bfrd
I got a little more PE work done. Below is a start to finish transformation. I had to remove a little bit of the plastic detail.
There is a PE replacement for the removed detail. It was on the tweezers then it wasn't. Looks like I will be scratch building that.
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:47 pm
by Donkeywalloper
Very nice work Matthew.
DW
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:18 pm
by RangerNeil
bfrd wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:33 am
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There is a PE replacement for the removed detail. It was on the tweezers then it wasn't. Looks like I will be scratch building that.
There are times - noteably a lot in the last couple of days when I'd swear the best way to build the fine details is in one of those funny cabinets medical places use where you put your arms in through sealed openings. The wife is getting a bit tired of frantic cries of "Grab the dog - I've lost a bit!!"
The PE does make it look good though - well done!
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:50 pm
by jmurphy18
Awesome looking work on this.
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:22 pm
by bfrd
I am still waiting on getting the decal sheet in before I move to paint any of the exteriors. I don't think the decal sheet has any paint recommendations, but I don't want to risk it. The kit callouts are all over the place. I know my color utility isn't perfect, but I do think it gives a fairly accurate idea. Here is a screen grab using some of the kit suggestions on the paint color.
Obviously, Testors is out. Taking that range out the rest are fairly close. I think I might try Mission Models as the LHS just started carrying those in stock.
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:23 pm
by bfrd
@Quax What color did you go with?
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:32 pm
by Quax
bfrd wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:23 pm
@Quax What color did you go with?
The kit callout for mine is 60% Olive drab with 40% flat black, as I know that whenever they fly over my house (noisy b*****ds) they look black so its probably not far out. I think I'll mix it like this and see what I think when its on, I can always lighten post shade.
Paul
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:35 am
by bfrd
Finally picked this one back up. Got the fuselage halves together and a bit more PE.
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:48 pm
by bfrd
Added more PE to the ordinance.
Attached the engines.
This is kinda like a tank in the sense that it will practically be fully built and then painted. That is a little weird for me, but we will see how it goes.
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:00 pm
by digger303
Pe is working the kit nicely.
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:55 pm
by bfrd
One step forward several steps back.
First off let me say the I have been impressed with the overall fit of the parts. However, there are exceptions. The very front of the fuselage has a large gap. This will require some filler and elbow grease.
Also while attaching some of the greeblies I snapped off one of the wheels from the front landing gear. Instead of trying to glue the part back together I just snipped off the other one as well.
I decided to use the tips from my syringes as a replacement.
First I heated up the tube with a heat gun and melted the ends of the gear struts.
I then cleaned up the joints to fit the tube.
Next, I used a diamond coated cutoff wheel to cut down the tubes. I should have been wearing safety glasses as one of the small tube pieces hit me in the face.
All that remains is to CA glue the tubes in place.
I will glue the wheels on after paint.
As an added bonus I accidentally burned the tail with heat gun. Fun!
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:33 pm
by Twokidsnosleep
OOoooo battle damage.....Well done or medium rare?
Love the mod of the landing gear, it will look and function better
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:20 pm
by alextheblue
Gotta agree, the landing gear looks really good!! Plus, all your patience with the PE is really going to pay off.
Heat gun!! Styrene!! Arrgghhh!!! Like ,Scott says - battle damage!
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:07 am
by digger303
Workshop field modification for fast left hand turns
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:42 am
by bfrd
Got a little worse later in the day. The "glass" doesn't come out very well. IMO it is a terrible design. While trying to get the glass out after a test fit I broke off one of the new landing gear arms. In the same maneuver, I broke off off a handhold and pitot tube. @Twokidsnosleep talked me out of Hulk Smashing and I drilled out a smaller hole in the gear arm and corresponding tube for a wire to help refasten. I can drill out the holes for the handhold and use a spare or make one from a wire. The pitot tube may just stay off. The heat gun damage is filled. I lost a bit of detail in the tail but at this point, I really couldn't care less.
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:02 pm
by Twokidsnosleep
Oh shite this thing is really fighting you
Keep battling, it will work out
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:26 am
by Kevthemodeller
Matt what a struggle you're having mate The PE looks great though
Stick at it mate you'll get there
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:11 am
by Donkeywalloper
Crumbs Matt you're having a right old battle with this thing.
Its an interesting build though chap and it will eventually look awesome, I'm sure.
Look after yourself,
DW
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:12 pm
by Quax
yes definitely keep going, I'm glad 2KNS talked you out of the stamp manoeuvre!
Its going to look great with all the pe once you get the paint on
Paul
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:55 pm
by bfrd
Grabbed a few pics this morning of the re-repair to the gear arms.
I plan to use a stiff wire with a 90-degree bend to insert into the open end of the tube. I drilled out an appropriate hole in the back of the wheels
Just to make myself feel a little better I popped on the rotors to give it a look-see.
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:07 pm
by jmurphy18
I like your mods, nice work!
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:48 pm
by RangerNeil
Commiserations on having to fight the fight with this one. If its any help - the photos thus far are looking really good. The PE work really helps it.
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:26 am
by bfrd
Thanks for all the support.
I got some paint down this evening. It looks black, but is really a very dark green.
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:27 am
by Twokidsnosleep
Cool!
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:55 am
by Tomcat64
Great work sticking with sorting the issues out on this one (kit-inflicted & self-inflicted) as the results so far look great - the PE work all adds a superb level of refinement.
Stick with it - it's looking great
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:43 am
by digger303
I can see your getting on top of it as it is coming together nicely albeit begrudgingly.
Re: Academy 1:72 AH-64D Apache
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:11 am
by bfrd
Ok, Scott keeps telling me to keep my mistakes to myself. I am not listening because I am stubborn and stupid...
In a momentary lack of mental faculties, I decided to not prime the helicopter. I wanted to be done and skipped a step. That was not the step to skip. Paint adhesion is terrible. I love the paint, MMP is spraying and covering very well (it doesn't even smell). I think the lack of a primer coat is to blame. So, in order to try and offer some protection to the paint, I gave the model a couple of coats of Alcad II Aquagloss. I do not trust the paint holding up during the decal process. The aftermarket decals are from Print Scale and they do not look very good. I will only use the ones I absolutely have to use in order to make the correct markings. Other than that I will be using the kit decals (Cartograf and look excellent).