Engines,engines, engines

General Modelling discusion that doesn't fit into any of the other sections
Post Reply
kpisnuts
Sergeant Major of the Army
Sergeant Major of the Army
Posts: 1131
Joined: Sat May 02, 2015 9:05 am
Location: Halstead, Essex
Great Britain

Engines,engines, engines

Post by kpisnuts »

Hi all some people have said they thought my engines looked very realistic (I think it helps in that most of my life I've been around or worked on either motorcycle or car engines) so I thought if anyone wants to know how I do any aspect of weathering an engine they could just ask or if it would help maybe I could try and post a video (pretty rubbish at social media) 

Here is a random sample of the hundreds of engines I must have modeled over the years 

Image
Image
Image
Image
Image
Image
User avatar
digger303
General
General
Posts: 16667
Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:01 am
Location: Western Australia
Australia

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by digger303 »

That's a great offer and some awesome engines.
:th: :th: :th:
:cheers2:
Listen and appear wise
Image
Image

scalemates stash https://www.scalemates.com/profiles/mat ... ION[]=Kits
Image
BigWall
Chief Warrant Officer 5
Chief Warrant Officer 5
Posts: 2961
Joined: Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:44 pm
Location: Denver, Colorado
United States of America

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by BigWall »

I agree with Digger. Thank you for the offer!
Joe

Image
User avatar
Kevthemodeller
Lieutenant Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
Posts: 5825
Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:31 am
Location: Newton Abbot UK
England

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by Kevthemodeller »

Super collection there mate, great offer too :banana: :th: :cheers2:
Kev

On the bench:
Martini Brabham BT44B
kpisnuts
Sergeant Major of the Army
Sergeant Major of the Army
Posts: 1131
Joined: Sat May 02, 2015 9:05 am
Location: Halstead, Essex
Great Britain

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by kpisnuts »

Hi all so the first installment, I'm basically the laziest modeler ever and if there's a short cut or an easy way to do something I'm there.

So heres the first bit of aging an engine, since I'm working on an engine atm I decided to use that as the first example.

First requirement talcum powder.

Image

Here's our nice clean engine

Image
Image

I use enamels so in this case I dip the brush in white spirit before picking up some talc(you can use water but you would have to matt the engine first as the water will just bead otherwise) I then dab the loaded brush on the engine (really load it all up with the white spirit and talc)once that's done flood with white spirit till it looks how you want.

Image
Image

I used gun metal from ABT

Image

To highlight the bolt heads.

Image

I then dust it all with Uschi powders

Image

Then buff that with a soft brush

Image

Image
Image

My ref pic

Image

This is going to end up being a very long post as I have lots of stuff to add to it (assuming you want it)
User avatar
Casper
Sergeant Major of the Army
Sergeant Major of the Army
Posts: 1109
Joined: Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:07 pm
Location: North Wales
Wales

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by Casper »

Great thread kpisnuts, thanks for showing your weathering techniques. The talc works a treat :clap:
Image
on the bench : VW Barn find, Bentley Blower, Yamaha YZF-R1M, Harley Davidson WLA 750. Tron Light Cycle Trio
MBB Design© Mini Bike Bench©
User avatar
digger303
General
General
Posts: 16667
Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:01 am
Location: Western Australia
Australia

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by digger303 »

The metalizing powder : Do you apply a sealer over that or not. ?
Marvelous work.
:th: :th: :th:
:cheers2:
Listen and appear wise
Image
Image

scalemates stash https://www.scalemates.com/profiles/mat ... ION[]=Kits
Image
kpisnuts
Sergeant Major of the Army
Sergeant Major of the Army
Posts: 1131
Joined: Sat May 02, 2015 9:05 am
Location: Halstead, Essex
Great Britain

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by kpisnuts »

No, no sealer, even without its far more robust than alclad (never have got on with that stuff)
kpisnuts
Sergeant Major of the Army
Sergeant Major of the Army
Posts: 1131
Joined: Sat May 02, 2015 9:05 am
Location: Halstead, Essex
Great Britain

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by kpisnuts »

Hi all well I have been given lots of ref pics of this engine and none of them are as distressed as this is, so a bit of white spirit and a cotton bud and it's looking more like it should.

Image

So next method, here is the sacrificial engine for this example (and for most of the others)

Image

OK as I said at the start of this I use mostly enamels so I can't say if this works with acrylics (although I've found in the past adding washing up liquid to the solution tends to have the same effect as white spirit)

If you want an engine that looks like it's been in a dusty environment (as in my mad to the max bike) 

Get an empty tin or bottle into that pour some matt colour of the earth in the area your engine has been driving in ( for the mad to the max bike I used sand as it was set in a desert, for this I've used earth)

Add talcum powder to it and mix keep adding talc till you get paste like consistency then add white spirit keep stirring till you get the consistency of milk, add the talc to the paint first don't thin it till you've added the talc as the talc doesn't seem to take the colour if you thin the paint first.

OK so use a big brush and load it with this mixture and dab it all over the engine(really cover it so it gets in all the nooks and crannies, then load your brush with white spirit (this is the important bit hold engine as it will be in the car or bike and flood the engine with white spirit just let gravity do its thing.

Image
Image

This is how it looks when dry

Image

All the plastic parts I dab with ABT copper oxide blue patina

And again blend with white spirit

I also add ABT engine grease anywhere you might expect an oil leak

Image
Image
Image
User avatar
digger303
General
General
Posts: 16667
Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:01 am
Location: Western Australia
Australia

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by digger303 »

Some very good tips there. Thanks for making the time and putting the effort in to show us. It's much appreciated.
:th: :th: :th:
:cheers2:
Listen and appear wise
Image
Image

scalemates stash https://www.scalemates.com/profiles/mat ... ION[]=Kits
Image
kpisnuts
Sergeant Major of the Army
Sergeant Major of the Army
Posts: 1131
Joined: Sat May 02, 2015 9:05 am
Location: Halstead, Essex
Great Britain

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by kpisnuts »

Thanks, as long as its of some use and people want to know, I'm happy to post.
kpisnuts
Sergeant Major of the Army
Sergeant Major of the Army
Posts: 1131
Joined: Sat May 02, 2015 9:05 am
Location: Halstead, Essex
Great Britain

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by kpisnuts »

Sorry for such a long wait before a progress report but I have to wait till I'm doing something that relates to this topic.

OK so for headers I use ak real metal steel

Image

Ak real metal gold

Image

And valejo Arctic blue


First paint the headers with AK steel ( if I was doing bike headers I would buff the steel up first) (the AK range of metal finishes are amazing and all can be buffed) (the buffing works even better if you have of the paint on the cotton bud or cloth you are buffing the work with) 

Slightly off point my airbrush died so I decided to try and replicate finishes without one.

So get some of the AK gold on your brush(medium flat brush) work most of it off on a tissue and dry brush only on the first bends of the headers.

Next get a cotton bud dip it in AK steel and rub most of it off then dip it in the Arctic blue and starting at the dry brushed gold blend from the gold down towards the exhaust.

Image
Image

Here's how it should look.

Image
Image
Image

If on a motorcycle you would blend less and the header would be highly polished.
Last edited by kpisnuts on Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
digger303
General
General
Posts: 16667
Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:01 am
Location: Western Australia
Australia

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by digger303 »

Nice tip on exhaust painting...thank you
Doubled up on one pic there.

:th: :th: :th:
:cheers2:
Listen and appear wise
Image
Image

scalemates stash https://www.scalemates.com/profiles/mat ... ION[]=Kits
Image
kpisnuts
Sergeant Major of the Army
Sergeant Major of the Army
Posts: 1131
Joined: Sat May 02, 2015 9:05 am
Location: Halstead, Essex
Great Britain

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by kpisnuts »

Hi all I'm thinking of expanding this to include bodywork, interiors or any and all aspects of my modelling techs, firstly would anyone be interested, secondly should I post it all here or set up separate sections for each subject.
User avatar
digger303
General
General
Posts: 16667
Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:01 am
Location: Western Australia
Australia

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by digger303 »

kpisnuts wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:17 am Hi all I'm thinking of expanding this to include bodywork, interiors or any and all aspects of my modelling techs, firstly would anyone be interested, secondly should I post it all here or set up separate sections for each subject.
We are always interested in everything. Sharing is what we do... :D :D
:cheers2:
Listen and appear wise
Image
Image

scalemates stash https://www.scalemates.com/profiles/mat ... ION[]=Kits
Image
BigWall
Chief Warrant Officer 5
Chief Warrant Officer 5
Posts: 2961
Joined: Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:44 pm
Location: Denver, Colorado
United States of America

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by BigWall »

kpisnuts wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:17 am Hi all I'm thinking of expanding this to include bodywork, interiors or any and all aspects of my modelling techs, firstly would anyone be interested, secondly should I post it all here or set up separate sections for each subject.
That would be great. I really like your engine weathering. I think a separate post for each subject would make it easier for someone to find.
Joe

Image
psmithmags
Sergeant
Sergeant
Posts: 121
Joined: Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:44 am
England

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by psmithmags »

Excellent tips, especially the talc, to achieve amazing results. And you even ask 'would you be interested with more?' Of course we would. Thanks for the time and effort in explaining your techniques. On another note, I will agree with BigWall, in that it would be easier with a separate post for each subject, if possible.
Thanks
Paul S.
kpisnuts
Sergeant Major of the Army
Sergeant Major of the Army
Posts: 1131
Joined: Sat May 02, 2015 9:05 am
Location: Halstead, Essex
Great Britain

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by kpisnuts »

Hi so heres another quickie (very messy one)

Take some AK real metal in this case steel put it on a cloth take some string and press it into the AK steel

Image

Fold the cloth over the string

Image

Put your fingers on the cloth over the string and pull the string through

Image

Lots of braided hoses, you can use different thicknesses for different sizes of hose or even double it put it in a dremel and spin it up to double the thickness.

Put some hearshrink on the ends and paint steel.
BigWall
Chief Warrant Officer 5
Chief Warrant Officer 5
Posts: 2961
Joined: Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:44 pm
Location: Denver, Colorado
United States of America

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by BigWall »

Nice! It looks much easier than trying to paint it.

Edited to add:

Does the string stay flexible with this technique?
Last edited by BigWall on Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:34 am, edited 1 time in total.
Joe

Image
User avatar
digger303
General
General
Posts: 16667
Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:01 am
Location: Western Australia
Australia

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by digger303 »

another goodie.
:th: :th: :th:
:cheers2:
Listen and appear wise
Image
Image

scalemates stash https://www.scalemates.com/profiles/mat ... ION[]=Kits
Image
kpisnuts
Sergeant Major of the Army
Sergeant Major of the Army
Posts: 1131
Joined: Sat May 02, 2015 9:05 am
Location: Halstead, Essex
Great Britain

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by kpisnuts »

Yes it does mate.
User avatar
Kevthemodeller
Lieutenant Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
Posts: 5825
Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:31 am
Location: Newton Abbot UK
England

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by Kevthemodeller »

Neat trick on the thread :banana: :th: :pop:
Kev

On the bench:
Martini Brabham BT44B
kpisnuts
Sergeant Major of the Army
Sergeant Major of the Army
Posts: 1131
Joined: Sat May 02, 2015 9:05 am
Location: Halstead, Essex
Great Britain

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by kpisnuts »

9OK so this next one will be in 2 parts as its more than 10 pics long.
Doing an old oily engine .
So heres how it looks before 

Image
Image
So put it on joints or gasket areas (think about where a real engine would leak)(for anyone who doesn't know anything much about engines don't put it on fuel injection or electrical areas, fuel injectors do leak but not using this product
Whilst this is still wet my next favourite colour (I know you may be thinking is he nuts, but trust me)
Image

This is important keep engine in the orientation it will bevin the vehicle then load the brush with white spirit and flood the areas with the colours on them, you should end up with this.

Image
Image
User avatar
digger303
General
General
Posts: 16667
Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:01 am
Location: Western Australia
Australia

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by digger303 »

That looks like it could very easily be mistaken for a real engine...no doubt.
:bow:: :bow:: :bow::
:cheers2:
Listen and appear wise
Image
Image

scalemates stash https://www.scalemates.com/profiles/mat ... ION[]=Kits
Image
BigWall
Chief Warrant Officer 5
Chief Warrant Officer 5
Posts: 2961
Joined: Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:44 pm
Location: Denver, Colorado
United States of America

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by BigWall »

Excellent modeling! Thanks for sharing your process
Joe

Image
kpisnuts
Sergeant Major of the Army
Sergeant Major of the Army
Posts: 1131
Joined: Sat May 02, 2015 9:05 am
Location: Halstead, Essex
Great Britain

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by kpisnuts »

Thanks guys but that is just the first part not done yet.
So here is the next bit.
Another of my favourite products
Image
I have an old stiff brush I use for stuff like this.
Image
Dip in the powder.
Image
And flick over the engine by pulling your finger through the bristles.
You should end up with this
Image
Image
Image
Image
BigWall
Chief Warrant Officer 5
Chief Warrant Officer 5
Posts: 2961
Joined: Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:44 pm
Location: Denver, Colorado
United States of America

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by BigWall »

Another nice effect!

What did you wrap around the wires?
Joe

Image
kpisnuts
Sergeant Major of the Army
Sergeant Major of the Army
Posts: 1131
Joined: Sat May 02, 2015 9:05 am
Location: Halstead, Essex
Great Britain

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by kpisnuts »

It's medical micropore tape, this was 10mm so I cut it in half lengthways wrapped the wires and painted it black,
User avatar
Kevthemodeller
Lieutenant Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
Posts: 5825
Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:31 am
Location: Newton Abbot UK
England

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by Kevthemodeller »

Lovely weathering effects :th: :banana:
Kev

On the bench:
Martini Brabham BT44B
luc75
Private First Class
Private First Class
Posts: 36
Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:34 pm
Location: England
England

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by luc75 »

that some lovely weathering.
Luke :thumb2:
kpisnuts
Sergeant Major of the Army
Sergeant Major of the Army
Posts: 1131
Joined: Sat May 02, 2015 9:05 am
Location: Halstead, Essex
Great Britain

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by kpisnuts »

Hi all this is how I do engine cases.

So first I prime it.

Then dab white in random places.

Image
Image

Then since it's already a light grey primer, I add a bit of darker grey(just for a bit of variation)

Image
Image
Image
Image

Now I just use a stiff brush lightly loaded with AK steel

And scrub over it all.

Image
Image
Image
ForeverPlasticKits
Command Sergeant Major
Command Sergeant Major
Posts: 895
Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:45 pm
Location: France
France

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by ForeverPlasticKits »

Amazing work and paint, some of the engines are so realistic! :thumb1: :thumb2:
kpisnuts
Sergeant Major of the Army
Sergeant Major of the Army
Posts: 1131
Joined: Sat May 02, 2015 9:05 am
Location: Halstead, Essex
Great Britain

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by kpisnuts »

OK so now I mix a wash up using 

Image

It's a very thin wash and I just run it in the nooks and crannies.

Then I make another thin wash using

Image

I put this over the whole engine(very quick don't move it about as you will wet the silver and it will all just end up looking a dirty mess) I let that dry then use 

Image

And dust it all over the engine and give it a little buff up.

Image
Image
Image
ForeverPlasticKits
Command Sergeant Major
Command Sergeant Major
Posts: 895
Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:45 pm
Location: France
France

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by ForeverPlasticKits »

A M A Z I N G ! :jd: :thumb1: :thumb2:
BigWall
Chief Warrant Officer 5
Chief Warrant Officer 5
Posts: 2961
Joined: Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:44 pm
Location: Denver, Colorado
United States of America

Re: Engines,engines, engines

Post by BigWall »

Very nice!
Joe

Image
Post Reply

Return to “Modelling Chat”