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Starting a new build before Xmas along side a friend

and using a couple of extras


I managed to cobble together a few parts into a rough engine shape.

One of my favorite subjects

Going to be an interesting build. How far are you going to take the engine detailing??

Ex cell ent

Nice!

RangerNeil wrote: Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:32 pm Going to be an interesting build. How far are you going to take the engine detailing??

Not far, most of it is hidden away so not needed. Got a problem with engine fit atm...it's too wide. The engine mounting brackets are going to be files back a long way.

digger303 wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 4:23 am

RangerNeil wrote: Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:32 pm Going to be an interesting build. How far are you going to take the engine detailing??

Not far, most of it is hidden away so not needed. Got a problem with engine fit atm...it's too wide. The engine mounting brackets are going to be files back a long way.

Not that shame !! Has I had said to you, I thought the engine has good amount of detail and it doesn't fit ?! Had the same problem once with an Eduard Bf109. Had to cut out the details of the engine and glue the exhausts stacks using platiscard instead of putting them on engine itself.

digger303 wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 4:23 am

RangerNeil wrote: Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:32 pm Going to be an interesting build. How far are you going to take the engine detailing??

Not far, most of it is hidden away so not needed. Got a problem with engine fit atm...it's too wide. The engine mounting brackets are going to be files back a long way.

Too wide??? That sounds out of character for a WnW kit???

RangerNeil wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:56 pm

digger303 wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 4:23 am

RangerNeil wrote: Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:32 pm Going to be an interesting build. How far are you going to take the engine detailing??

Not far, most of it is hidden away so not needed. Got a problem with engine fit atm...it's too wide. The engine mounting brackets are going to be files back a long way.

Too wide??? That sounds out of character for a WnW kit???

You're on the wrong pedigree ! Digger is building the Roden kit I'm the one building the WnW.
Stay safe !

Garion77 wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:27 pm

RangerNeil wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:56 pm

digger303 wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 4:23 am

Not far, most of it is hidden away so not needed. Got a problem with engine fit atm...it's too wide. The engine mounting brackets are going to be files back a long way.

Too wide??? That sounds out of character for a WnW kit???

You're on the wrong pedigree ! Digger is building the Roden kit I'm the one building the WnW.
Stay safe !

Ahhhhh - Alles Klaar - I thought you were both getting into the WnW versions. My goof!!!

Another Pfalz, great!

RangerNeil wrote: Thu Dec 23, 2021 2:28 pm

Garion77 wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:27 pm

RangerNeil wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:56 pm

Too wide??? That sounds out of character for a WnW kit???

You're on the wrong pedigree ! Digger is building the Roden kit I'm the one building the WnW.
Stay safe !

Ahhhhh - Alles Klaar - I thought you were both getting into the WnW versions. My goof!!!

This looks like its going to be a nice build, hope you don't mind if I tag along?

Ben

In for the build, looks good so far.

Nice start on the engine mate - shame about the fit issues though, that's something pretty fundamental for them to screw up.

Looking forward to comparing notes with the two builds

Thanks for all the support guys and really reaaaally sorry for confusing some of you....

My kit suffers a little from a good helping of fine flash and a little short shots on a couple of the corners.



I chopped out the offending bit and cemented some thin plastic card back in and although this pic doesn't show it. All cemented in with sprue goo and why it looks so messy.

I used a burr on my drill to carve out the inner half moon where the prop coupler protrudes through.


There is a fair gap or seam at the wing root and I'm not sure whether this is a feature of these aircraft or some sloppy work at Roden.
I shall have to go googling.

ATM continuing on building sub assemblies.

I found the wheel build which has a cap to cover the axle neatly was too big so requires a fair amount of careful sanding. So easy to create a flat spot.

Next up will be fitting those sub assemblies and making sure the fuselage closes properly.
Merry Xmas and lots of

Ps....despite some small issues I'm actually enjoying this and don't think badly of this kit at all.

Merry Xmas!

It looks like you're overcoming it's shortcomings. Nice work!

The landing gear seems to be a little fragile, and there is some work to improve your kit, so i wish you a lot of patience and some fun!

BigWall wrote: Sun Dec 26, 2021 2:47 am Merry Xmas!

It looks like you're overcoming it's shortcomings. Nice work!

Thank you and a happy new year to you yours and everyone.

ForeverPlasticKits wrote: Sun Dec 26, 2021 9:55 pm The landing gear seems to be a little fragile, and there is some work to improve your kit, so i wish you a lot of patience and some fun!

Yes it is any side ways pressure and it will collapse. Not going to do much to improve it, this is a testing of the waters kit....my first bi-plane.

Wow looking back at my posts or lack there of it's a bit embrassing...sorry guys.

Fuselage steps one and finial result


I got the engine abut this far when I knocked it off the bench leaning over to the paint rack for another colour.

Sod landed right on the most fragile bit....Murphy's been about.
Any way replaced the handle with a brass rod and straightened the plastic up. After much time spent painting little details I banged her into the fuselage.
AND this is where things got interesting and rather heated.


Like you I dunno how this is going to turn out. Clamps come off tomorrow.

cheers
Guys.

Nice to see your update my building buddy ! Lets hope you don't have to much gaps as when you dry fitted everything. Your engine is really nice. And you saved pretty nicely your broken part ! Keep up the good work.
Stay safe !

This is moving at pace Digger, some lovely detail work Sadly Roden can be a bit hit and miss with their mouldings, something your discovering and dealing with very well

Kevthemodeller wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 8:23 am This is moving at pace Digger, some lovely detail work Sadly Roden can be a bit hit and miss with their mouldings, something your discovering and dealing with very well

Thank you for your comfidence Kev you might want to reconsider that comment after seeing this pic.
All that clamping up was for nought as in my blindness and not really thinking too hard I had neglected to thread the guns into their firing ports. Naturally nothing fits well trying to shoe horn them together like that. So prise it all apart and do it properly. Actualy not that easy to seat it in proper if the guns are not algeined properly. They are pararell, but face down a bit and that's the kits fault this time.
When I was prising it apart it with a little cement came apart fairly easy......except the rear fuselage. I did a realy excelent job of fixing that together. and I used a little too much force......


Its back in the clamps now and hopefully back on track.

Oh not good, I think you'll sort that fine with TET and tape. Use a fair bit, get it to ooze into a nice little bead along the crack, once fully cured (12hrs) flatten off to contour, it will be invisible once painted

Holy cow !!!!
I feel for you buddy !!! Lots of filling and sanding ahead !!

Garion77 wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:33 pm Holy cow !!!!
I feel for you buddy !!! Lots of filling and sanding ahead !!

Yep slap it on and carve it off

Plus that's pretty much fixed with a glue application and a tiny amount of filler at one end. The fuselage is actually quite thin and gluing the 2 halves together was fiddly.

digger303 wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:56 pm

Garion77 wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:33 pm Holy cow !!!!
I feel for you buddy !!! Lots of filling and sanding ahead !!

Yep slap it on and carve it off

Plus that's pretty much fixed with a glue application and a tiny amount of filler at one end. The fuselage is actually quite thin and gluing the 2 halves together was fiddly.

Almost there to close it on my side too... a few tiny parts to paint again... let's hope it goes well... but still have the machine guns to do and try my hand at the HGW paper belts

Ouch. Hopefully it glues up well

BigWall wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 1:35 am Ouch. Hopefully it glues up well

Ouch is right - hope you manage to get that all realigned and sanded back mate

All is well it's all patched up almost undetectable. What looks like a indentation is just a discoloration.

I made a cushion.....woopeee...

The landing undercarriage back in the day used bungy cords as a shock absorbing system. Simple stuff, but it worked lord knows why 747's went away from this great tech

I've also resorted to pinning the wing struts as the attachment points looked a bit flimsy to me.

AND making turnbuckles.
4mm tubing and 0.2mm brass covered copper wire all soldered.

finished product


cheers

That seems to be a lot of clamps??? Was there an issue joining the two halves??

RangerNeil wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 2:08 pm That seems to be a lot of clamps??? Was there an issue joining the two halves??

Yes, The engine and frame work around it needed to be trimmed back. Even then I needed to clamp it from every angle to get it to close correctly.

Nice to finally see an update of my counterpart ! This is all really nice. You made great work of the repairs of the fuselage. And the turnbuckles are turning out great ! I have to start mines if I decide to go ahead of them. Keep up the good work my friend !

Wow digger, I was surprised to see the poor mold quality. Nice save on the fuselage.

Perhaps they consider the flash, gaps, incomplete corner molds, and ill-fitting parts as features?

At least the internal parts for the cockpit and engine look like they are designed well.

Keep it up as this will indeed be worth it when completed.

Ben

I'm also surprise at the poor quality of the kit ! I struggle with mine because they're too much details and Digger struggles because of the poor quality of the kit. And I don't know for all of you, but the Roden kits where I live aren't that cheap to buy ; not that expensive but not cheap also. And it made me realize that may be I shouldn't buy the ones I had on my wishlist.

DRUMS01 wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 3:52 pm Wow digger, I was surprised to see the poor mold quality. Nice save on the fuselage.

Perhaps they consider the flash, gaps, incomplete corner molds, and ill-fitting parts as features?

At least the internal parts for the cockpit and engine look like they are designed well.

Keep it up as this will indeed be worth it when completed.

Ben

Thank you for the vote of confidence after my fiasco with the G4 I'm not sure of anything.

Garion77 wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 4:02 pm I'm also surprise at the poor quality of the kit ! I struggle with mine because they're too much details and Digger struggles because of the poor quality of the kit. And I don't know for all of you, but the Roden kits where I live aren't that cheap to buy ; not that expensive but not cheap also. And it made me realize that may be I shouldn't buy the ones I had on my wishlist.

Strangely I'm not worried about the quality issues. I bought these kits cheap second hand and have a couple more in the stash and I'm thinking they will get built as the build hasn't been as frustrating as it might look.

Thank you for the vote of confidence after my fiasco with the G4 I'm not sure of anything.

Garion77 wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 4:02 pm I'm also surprise at the poor quality of the kit ! I struggle with mine because they're too much details and Digger struggles because of the poor quality of the kit. And I don't know for all of you, but the Roden kits where I live aren't that cheap to buy ; not that expensive but not cheap also. And it made me realize that may be I shouldn't buy the ones I had on my wishlist.

Strangely I'm not worried about the quality issues. I bought these kits cheap second hand and have a couple more in the stash and I'm thinking they will get built as the build hasn't been as frustrating as it might look.

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Nice then ! because I saw one at my local hobby store around 90$ CAN and that's pretty expensive if it has lots of fit issues. But you're doing nice work of it ! Keep it up !

Garion77 wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 12:14 am Thank you for the vote of confidence after my fiasco with the G4 I'm not sure of anything.

Garion77 wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 4:02 pm I'm also surprise at the poor quality of the kit ! I struggle with mine because they're too much details and Digger struggles because of the poor quality of the kit. And I don't know for all of you, but the Roden kits where I live aren't that cheap to buy ; not that expensive but not cheap also. And it made me realize that may be I shouldn't buy the ones I had on my wishlist.

Strangely I'm not worried about the quality issues. I bought these kits cheap second hand and have a couple more in the stash and I'm thinking they will get built as the build hasn't been as frustrating as it might look.

Nice then ! because I saw one at my local hobby store around 90$ CAN and that's pretty expensive if it has lots of fit issues. But you're doing nice work of it ! Keep it up !
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Don't say that until you see the finished product and so says my history. Not like good old dependable Stokesy or DW just cranking them out.....

That's great work sorting out the fuselage mate

And liking the extra details & Whoopee cushion too

Tomcat64 wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:03 am That's great work sorting out the fuselage mate

And liking the extra details & Whoopee cushion too

Thanks and I shouldn't be lazy and make some seat belts too...

digger303 wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:44 am

Tomcat64 wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:03 am That's great work sorting out the fuselage mate

And liking the extra details & Whoopee cushion too

Thanks and I shouldn't be lazy and make some seat belts too...

if you're fuselage wasn't close, and so far away, I could have sent you the extra HGW one I have

Garion77 wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:18 am

digger303 wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:44 am

Tomcat64 wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:03 am That's great work sorting out the fuselage mate

And liking the extra details & Whoopee cushion too

Thanks and I shouldn't be lazy and make some seat belts too...

if you're fuselage wasn't close, and so far away, I could have sent you the extra HGW one I have

Very kind of you....drop it in next time your going past the gate......

It's been a good while since I've updated this....sorry guys.
Ok In the last week I've primed, base coated, added the tail guide, control wires for the tail, exhaust system and added the top wing.


It's not a lot, but it's done. The top coat od blue needs going over again , but I thought I might leave that until the rigging is done.
Those of you who have done rigging before ( not me ) will recognize that I'm doing it all wrong. I always do thing the hard way it seems I like reinventing the wheel....
I couldn't figure a way to use the turn buckles and brass wire rigging and get it all tight. I'm still kind of in no manes land with this , but decided that pontificating over this forever isn't helping. So hoping it will come to me in a flash as I'm doing it.... I'm going to pretend I'm a engineer and measure it out as I go....

Nice progress as I said to you ! the blue is magnificent
And also, as I said to you, yes you are making life harder on yourself with rigging. But what do I know ! I never done it myself either
Can't wait to see the next update !
Take care my friend !

Just a quick additional up date. Not finished yet, but I thought I would show it now half done and then finished.

Garion77 wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 1:01 pm Nice progress as I said to you ! the blue is magnificent
And also, as I said to you, yes you are making life harder on yourself with rigging. But what do I know ! I never done it myself either
Can't wait to see the next update !
Take care my friend !

Thanks friend.

Beautiful work. I built one in that scheme, Moon smoking pipe, for my son 30 years ago but in 1/48. Love that wooden prop! John

The prop looks good ! it really looks like hard wood. When the gloss is on it it will look magnificent.

Had a slight hiccup.....One should watch where one puts hot soldering irons.


All fixed now though and busy installing the rigging and stuffing up my paint job. I've been using a home, made jig to hold the craft. blocks of foam and tooth picks holding it all together.
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It's not looking to bad, but surprising how much weight is in the fuselage and wings. The undercarriage is decidedly wobbly without the wire struts installed.

cheers guys

Looking good Digger. Always amazes me how something so flimsy looking managed to surving landings and take-offs!