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DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:42 pm
by DBMiller
I promised myself I wouldn't start anything new this year until I got at least one old build done. Well, I've just about finished two! One just requires the base and the other the gear doors I broke off but couldn't find any super glue that hadn't hardened up.
So - a new build!!
Wiki:
The Heinkel He 119 was an experimental single-propeller monoplane with two coupled engines, developed in Germany. A private venture by Heinkel to test radical ideas by the Günter brothers, the He 119 was originally intended to act as an unarmed reconnaissance bomber capable of eluding all fighters due to its high performance.
Crew: 3
Length: 14.80 m (48 ft 6½ in)
Wingspan: 15.90 m (52 ft 2 in)
Height: 5.40 m (17 ft 8½ in)
Wing area: 50.02 m² (538.2 ft²)
Empty weight: 5,201 kg (11,464 lb)
Loaded weight: 7,581 kg (16,678 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Daimler-Benz DB 606A-2 24-cylinder liquid cooled coupled engine, 1,753 kW (2,350 hp)
Performance
Maximum speed: 591 km/h (319 knots, 367 mph) at 4,500 m (14,765 ft)
Cruise speed: 510 km/h (276 knots, 317 mph) at 4,500 m (14,765 ft) (60% power)
Range: 3,123 km (1,687 nmi, 1,940 mi)at 6,000 m (19,685 ft)
Service ceiling: 8,500 m (27,890 ft)
Climb to 2,000 m (6,560 ft): 3.1 min
Climb to 4,500 m (19,685 ft): 10.7 min
Armament
Guns: 1 × 7.9 mm (.312 in) MG 15 machine gun in dorsal position
More pictures and information on the He-119
https://oldmachinepress.com/2012/12/05/heinkel-he-119/
https://military-history.fandom.com/wik ... kel_He_119
The kit:
Valom's 1/72 Scale Heinkel He 119 Reconnaissance Bomber.
These two pages are glossy and nice. What a sweet looking plane!
The rest of the instructions are, well, barely adequate. Some sections took quite a bit of figuring out before I could tell what was supposed to happen.
Not a smooth texture at all!
Photo etch. Sad me.
The mylar sheet depicting the dials is not even mentioned in the instructions!
Parts being cut out and glued!!! What a crazy cockpit arrangement!
What the hell use are these instructions? And the parts! I could have build a wheel well out of strip better than these parts!
The wings. Sigh. Lots of grinding of the wheel well. Also, grinding of the inside of the wings themselves - but only one! The other almost fit from the start. How odd.
More to come!
Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:37 am
by KalebB
That's an interesting looking plane, so sleek and torpedoish shaped
Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:27 am
by Tomcat64
Nice to see you under way with this one but sadly that's all pretty normal fare for a Valom kit... I tackled one in the last bomber GB we had & it was a nightmare.
If it helps at all, I ended up putting brass rods through the fuselage to act as a wing spar as I didn't trust the plain butt joint to hold the weight.
Stick with it though as the end results will be worth it

Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:54 pm
by DBMiller
Tomcat64 wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:27 am
Nice to see you under way with this one but sadly that's all pretty normal fare for a Valom kit... I tackled one in the last bomber GB we had & it was a nightmare.
If it helps at all, I ended up putting brass rods through the fuselage to act as a wing spar as I didn't trust the plain butt joint to hold the weight.
Stick with it though as the end results will be worth it
Thank you for the tip! I may have to reinforce the wings that way.
Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:47 pm
by digger303
Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:24 am
by RangerNeil
This looks an interesting plane to build and certainly very unique. I look forwards to watching the progress with great interest.

Not least because, like others, I've heard of Valoms reputation.

Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 2:12 pm
by DBMiller
RangerNeil wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:24 am
This looks an interesting plane to build and certainly very unique. I look forwards to watching the progress with great interest.

Not least because, like others, I've heard of Valoms reputation.
This kit is living up to that reputation. Not only fit issues but I KNOW some of these parts are labeled wrong and I've found one already.

Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:23 pm
by DBMiller
This is one of the parts that were labeled backwards in the instructions. I made the mistake of following said instructions and glued the seat onto the platform where the little bump was. As you can see, it is wrong. I had to remove it and glue it again.
The part that goes here (no idea what it is) is supposed to rest on little tabs. They don't fit right so I cut them off and added these supports. It's better than it was.
The wing light. The "instructions" don't give any indication how it goes in - tapered sides vertical or horizontal. I just guessed.
The "cockpit." I wish there were better details and it will be mostly visible through the glass nose.
The gunner's (?) seat with belts added. My first use of photo etch belts. At least they won't be too visible!
Side windows in. My fat finger prints show up well in the photo. At least they aren't in super glue and should wipe away.
The control panels for the pilot and co-pilot. I didn't bother with the mylar sheet of dials. Because.
Still need to add the control stick and rudder pedals.
Sanding and filling the wing edges. One went together almost perfectly and the other was a bit of a mess.

Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:54 pm
by digger303
Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:32 am
by Garion77
that seems to give you already lots of trouble as a kit.
Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 4:02 am
by digger303
Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:25 am
by Quax
you continue to make a silk purse from a sows ear, well done for sticking with it!
Paul
Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:00 pm
by Tomcat64
It's like there's a check-list in Valom "QA" ...
- Interesting subject & box art to lure in the unsuspecting - Check
- Vague instructions - Check
- Mis-numbered parts - Check
- Two (or more) parts with the same number - Check
- Thick trailing edges - Check
- Butt joints for everything - Check
- Badly moulded parts - Check
It's great to see you're still making progress - could you grab a tail-wheel with a bit more detail from somewhere?
Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 12:11 am
by digger303
Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2023 8:08 am
by Stokesy44
The words sow's ear and silk purse spring to mind. You're doing a great job on a truly awful kit.

Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:38 pm
by RangerNeil
Stokesy44 wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 8:08 am
The words sow's ear and silk purse spring to mind. You're doing a great job on a truly awful kit.
Was thinking that myself!!
Its worrying because I found I have a Valom Vickers Wellesley in the stash - but also encouraging to see the problems resolved so well..

Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:30 pm
by digger303
Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:24 pm
by DBMiller
Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:44 am
by digger303
Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:42 pm
by DBMiller
Decals going on! They are a bit thick and take forever to loosen off the backing paper - like several minutes!
But, they do settle down nicely with a bit of MicroSol to help with the panel lines on the tail.
Also, I had forgotten to paint the bare metal behind the cockpit.

Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 11:26 pm
by digger303
Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 11:35 pm
by RangerNeil
Looking good - can't wait to see it when the canopy masking comes off.
(Does it come with the rest of the tail insignia??)
Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 12:19 am
by DBMiller
RangerNeil wrote: Sat Mar 04, 2023 11:35 pm
Looking good - can't wait to see it when the canopy masking comes off.
(Does it come with the rest of the tail insignia??)
I really hope the canopy mask DOES come off!!! With any luck there will be only a bit of touch up.
Yes, it does come with the rest of the tail insignia. In any case, I have a set of them for those kits that don't.
Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 12:20 am
by DBMiller
I can understand not allowing the swastika to be shown on the box but once you've gotten to the decals what does it matter? You are going to show it complete anyway.
Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:49 pm
by digger303
Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:10 pm
by DBMiller
Well, I am so disappointed. I wasn't expecting perfection but I was so careful masking that I was hoping for better than this!
At first - looking not too bad...
but as I progressed...
The other side is worse but I'm not even going to bother touching it up. I've got the three lenses, the antenna, pitot tube, and prop to attach and I'm done.
It can sit on my shelf for a while then, someday, be sacrificed to the gods of modeling.
Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:51 pm
by digger303
Thats a bit sad that the paint got under your masking after working so hard on it.

Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 12:34 am
by RangerNeil
Doesn't look so bad in the photos!
FWIW I find a really sharp blade held at 90 deg to the surface and scraped lightly will remove paint bleeds...
Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:34 am
by digger303
RangerNeil wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 12:34 am
Doesn't look so bad in the photos!
FWIW I find a really sharp blade held at 90 deg to the surface and scraped lightly will remove paint bleeds...
Yes your right and I don't know why I didn't mention cocktail sticks pushed along the edge will flick it off the clear plastic, but you might have to run a sharp blade along the frame work first gently though.

Re: DBMiller's He-119
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:25 pm
by DBMiller
digger303 wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:51 pm
Thats a bit sad that the paint got under your masking after working so hard on it.
I'm tempted to just pull off the canopy and re-do it - what could go wrong?
RangerNeil wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 12:34 am
Doesn't look so bad in the photos!
FWIW I find a really sharp blade held at 90 deg to the surface and scraped lightly will remove paint bleeds...
I got most of it off with a tooth pick. But, somehow, paint got through a seam and onto the inside of the canopy!
Maybe I'll just post it as finished and think about what to do when I'm less discouraged.