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Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Wed May 28, 2025 6:02 pm
by Kevthemodeller
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Wed May 28, 2025 6:40 pm
by Quax
Looks a lovely kit, the Border L/48 I’m building has been really good!
Following with interest!
Paul
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Wed May 28, 2025 10:53 pm
by Stokesy44
I really like Border stuff, hopefully you've got a good one there.
I think the 1/35 scale idea is so that you can go mad with a diorama
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Thu May 29, 2025 12:28 am
by digger303
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 1:51 am
by DRUMS01
Well you can go mad on a diorama or just go mad? I suppose you can get mad while doing a diorama too. I have read and watched several reviews on HK and Border models that show they are fitting well and have really good details. I think I'll have to get one.... or one of each (smile).
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 7:44 am
by digger303
DRUMS01 wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 1:51 am
Well you can go mad on a diorama or just go mad? I suppose you can get mad while doing a diorama too. I have read and watched several reviews on HK and Border models that show they are fitting well and have really good details. I think I'll have to get one.... or one of each (smile).
Yeah I starting to think I'd like to do my FW-190A-6 from Border, but I won't I've set myself to do this Spitfire ( yeah I must be the only guy who hasn't built one ) some time ago and I would like to get it done.

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2025 3:05 pm
by Kevthemodeller
Quax wrote: Wed May 28, 2025 6:40 pm
Looks a lovely kit, the Border L/48 I’m building has been really good!
Following with interest!
Paul
Been somewhat busy with other things of late, plus the weathers been too nice to sit in. Hope to be starting things by the end of Aug, still got some research remaining, I do like the research side of a build.
Stokesy44 wrote: Wed May 28, 2025 10:53 pm
I really like Border stuff, hopefully you've got a good one there.
I think the 1/35 scale idea is so that you can go mad with a diorama
Yes, I guess that would make perfect sense, wonder why it's not been done before, or has it?
DRUMS01 wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 1:51 am
Well you can go mad on a diorama or just go mad? I suppose you can get mad while doing a diorama too. I have read and watched several reviews on HK and Border models that show they are fitting well and have really good details. I think I'll have to get one.... or one of each (smile).
The kit does look very good in all aspects, at least as good as the best that's currently available. The build when I start it will tell, hopefully not too long

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2025 6:07 pm
by Kevthemodeller
We're off at last
Quite a detailed engine, very nicely moulded let see what it goes together like

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2025 6:53 pm
by Stokesy44
Beautiful looking plastic

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2025 6:32 am
by cor
Thats a nice looking kit
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:58 am
by Quax
great detail in the plastic, you're going to have fun painting that up!

Will much of it show or just what's visible through the front of the cowling?
cheers
Paul
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2025 9:59 am
by Kevthemodeller
cor wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 6:32 am
Thats a nice looking kit
Stokesy44 wrote: Tue Sep 02, 2025 6:53 pm
Beautiful looking plastic
The moulding is really good. The attachment points to the sprue aren't so cleaver. Very short and quite thick, making getting the cutting pliers in there tricky even with Tamiya's thinnest. Not a show stopper but you just have to be careful of the more thinner parts as they can twist and break as you cut.
Quax wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:58 am
great detail in the plastic, you're going to have fun painting that up!

Will much of it show or just what's visible through the front of the cowling?
The kit allows for all the engine and other area inspection/maintenance covers to be open, so hopefully much of the engine will be seen

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2025 5:46 pm
by Kevthemodeller
Engine sub assemblies

Let the painting commence

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 5:38 am
by Stokesy44
Just had a look at the sprue shots full size, the surface detail is stunning. Crisp panel lines, beautiful restrained riveting. Should look amazing when painted.
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2025 2:05 pm
by digger303
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 5:15 pm
by Kevthemodeller
Stokesy44 wrote: Thu Sep 04, 2025 5:38 am
Just had a look at the sprue shots full size, the surface detail is stunning. Crisp panel lines, beautiful restrained riveting. Should look amazing when painted.
Yes that's true moulding is very good, but these sprue attachment points aren't, more on that later.
Thanks mate it's not too bad for areas that need cleaning up, it's more fit that's the issue, more on that later.

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:21 pm
by Kevthemodeller
Engine assembly, what a pain

as individual sub assemblies they're fine, the cylinder banks fit ok, the induction manifold fits but the exhausts oh boy
Because of the of indexing of the cylinder banks the exhaust ports on the front bank are partly obscured by the rear bank of cylinders. The exhaust manifold is therefore shaped to accommodate this index/offset, however the manifold isn't really to scale and will not fit past the inlet manifold, go around the offset and under the cam feed oil pipe which bridges the V between each cylinder. Not without force it won't and I mean force

This destroys the metallic finishes and damages/breaks the oil pipe. To make matters worse the instructions are really poor (look at page 3 section 1 above) there's no clear indication as to where the 4 exhaust manifolds fit in relation to the top or 12 O'clock position of the cylinders when it's in the fuselage. In fact the 12 O'clock position isn't shown anywhere! This is crucial as the main intake ring has to sit in a certain position as to the exhaust manifolds or either won't fit nor will the engine fit into the cowling. There are no pictures showing the correct relationship of these parts, just either back or front with the cylinders/engine in different index positions.
Then there's the fit, like Meng BMW I recently built, the fit is really interference in that you could actually assemble much of the engine without glue, i.e. a very snug push fit. The rear engine mounting ring has 6 little pins that locate into corresponding holes on the back of the inlet manifold, you can't test fit (not unless you either open out all the holes or reduce the pin diameters) and it has to go almost flush and it's tight. Hit each with extra thin and they slide in but they are not coming back out. This for me is highlighting the difference between Chinese kits and Tamiya, they are still someway off in my opinion. None of the above is a show stopper just spoils what is thus far a really nice kit
Completed engine, just a few bits of tidying up with the plug leads to do, which I'll do once it is mounted in the fuselage

I wanted a in use/serviceable finish to the engine, as you can imagine this would mean clean ish, e.g. not covered in oil. Finding colour reference pictures of just that is very difficult, many of rebuilt totally restored or just ripped out partly assembled/bits missing museum display examples.
Lower wing assembly
Sprue attachment points. These are wide and short making cutting quite tricky, you've got to use sharp and thin nose snips, even cutting larger bits of main sprue doesn't really help. If you're not careful small parts will break off as you cut
The last real puzzle is there's no indication as to paint colours for anything other than the out side! Not unless I've missed something?

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:50 pm
by Stokesy44
The engine certainly made you work for it but it looks superb, great result

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 8:09 pm
by Quax

You’ve done a good job on the engine considering the trials and tribulations you suffered!

I would guess that interior colours are RLM 66 and 02
Paul
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 8:58 pm
by Kevthemodeller
Stokesy44 wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:50 pm
The engine certainly made you work for it but it looks superb, great result

mate it's a shame the exhaust and fit engineering let down what is a lovely engine. I did take a look at my rotary engine in my Tamiya 1/32 Corsair F4U. I know it's bigger but you can clearly see the better engineering.
Quax wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 8:09 pm

You’ve done a good job on the engine considering the trials and tribulations you suffered!

I would guess that interior colours are RLM 66 and 02
Paul

Paul thanks for the colour confirmations, it agrees with all the research I've done. I just find it odd, a big oversight really that there's no information, other than the outside, not the cockpit, engine, engine inner cowling, under carriage bays nothing

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 11:51 pm
by DRUMS01
Like the others have said, I think you've done a wonderful job on the engine. The build and painting make it look the business. Sorry to see the silly large sprue connections. You would've thought we have come too far to have those kind of issues, especially for a newer and more expensive and detailed kit that it is (?).
The same can be said for the lack of any paint callouts, very strange. Perhaps some magazines, books, or queried online content will fix the paint instructions (?).
Even with these shortcomings, I'm confident that your excellent modeling skills will continue to overcome those issues.
Oh!, I really like the snake markings.
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2025 12:58 am
by digger303
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2025 9:25 am
by Kevthemodeller
DRUMS01 wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 11:51 pm
Like the others have said, I think you've done a wonderful job on the engine. The build and painting make it look the business. Sorry to see the silly large sprue connections. You would've thought we have come too far to have those kind of issues, especially for a newer and more expensive and detailed kit that it is (?).
The same can be said for the lack of any paint callouts, very strange. Perhaps some magazines, books, or queried online content will fix the paint instructions (?).
Even with these shortcomings, I'm confident that your excellent modeling skills will continue to overcome those issues.
Oh!, I really like the snake markings.
Thanks guys you're most kind. The lack of painting information is very odd!
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 6:36 am
by cor
That engine looks amazing.
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 7:44 am
by Stokesy44
cor wrote: Sat Sep 20, 2025 6:36 am
That engine looks amazing.
You tell him Cor. Its an absolute beaut!
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2025 4:48 pm
by Kevthemodeller
cor wrote: Sat Sep 20, 2025 6:36 am
That engine looks amazing.
Stokesy44 wrote: Sat Sep 20, 2025 7:44 am
cor wrote: Sat Sep 20, 2025 6:36 am
That engine looks amazing.
You tell him Cor. Its an absolute beaut!
Thanks guys you're most kind

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2025 5:07 pm
by Kevthemodeller
I've been somewhat remiss in taking pictures and busy with other life stuff of late.
Starting on the cockpit, wings and fuselage
Hopefully things will speed up now, I want to get this one finished and get on the group build

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 12:31 am
by digger303
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 6:59 am
by Stokesy44
Nice and tidy work

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 5:41 pm
by Kevthemodeller
Stokesy44 wrote: Thu Oct 16, 2025 6:59 am
Nice and tidy work
Thanks fellas

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 6:16 pm
by Kevthemodeller
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 6:35 pm
by Stokesy44
Really nice work on the cockpit

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 5:38 am
by digger303
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 8:10 am
by Quax
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 12:50 pm
by digger303
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 5:58 pm
by Kevthemodeller
Stokesy44 wrote: Thu Oct 16, 2025 6:35 pm
Really nice work on the cockpit

mate
I'm doing my best, honest governor

mate
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 6:22 pm
by Kevthemodeller
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 6:25 pm
by Stokesy44
Looking tasty mate

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2025 11:08 pm
by cor
That's some very nice work
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2025 10:53 am
by digger303
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 1:28 pm
by Kevthemodeller
Stokesy44 wrote: Thu Oct 30, 2025 6:25 pm
Looking tasty mate
cor wrote: Fri Oct 31, 2025 11:08 pm
That's some very nice work

Fellas

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 4:15 pm
by Kevthemodeller
Okay I've been busy with life stuff all good just busy
The wings, rear stabilisers, ailerons and flaps are now in place
No trying to fit the engine, the poor engineering and interference fit on everything pretty much, rose it's ugly head once more
The engine frame/cradle/mounting is modelled very realistically to copy the real engine mounting/cradle/frame. The problem is the latter is very flimsy and in 2 parts which have to join in the centre and take a look at page 12 of the above instructions. Because H2/3 have to be joined in the centre but there is no locating lug, just a very small flatish land to get the angle correct 3D angle. At the same time 4 rear mounting points have to be fitted into the firewall, only 2 of these mounts have lugs so they twist. Once done this leaves you with 3 mounting points for the cradle to mount to the engine frame, with a 4th in the lower engine bay, which can't really be seen! Because there's no positive way of getting the angles of all these correct and the rear cradle mounting points to the engine bay aligned, which only 2 have lugs. Everything has to be fitted at the same time ish if not, things don't line up and you've got to force things as it's twisted. Add that to you can't see the bottom mount and it's very poor engineering in my view
After fighting with all of the above and getting the engine mounted, or so I thought

I went to temporary fit the engine cowlings to allow uniform painting of them. The engine was slightly twisted and tipped backwards, which meant the cowlings couldn't be butted up properly

This would allow overspray into the engine bay and on the engine, thus ruining all the work

There was nothing for it but to remove the engine and the cradle, separate the cylinders from the intake and remount the engine frame and cradle back into the engine bay, without the cylinders attached. This will ensure I can stop the twisting/tilting of the engine frame/cradle and get the engine finally mounted centrally in the bay. If there was proper mounting lug between the cradle centre and on all the 4 mounting point to the engine bay, the cradle could be mounted with some level of confidence. Instead, as it is you play a balancing act in 3D

Border model engineering/fit/corner cutting/ lack of experience and instructions somewhat evident on this kit
Arrowed in the centre is the small land area that joints the cradle together there's nothing to stop any twisting. Circled bottom L/R are the 2 non lugged mounting points even though they're square shaped for a slot there's no mounting slot! Arrowed inner L/R from the above mentioned are the only 2 lugged (both broken off removing the cradle) mounting points. Because there's only 2 lugged mounting points my engine cradle twisted and was over to one side slightly. Preventing the cowlings from seating correctly.
Arrowed is the lower mounting point/hole for the engine bay mounted mount. Because of the interference fit on just about everything and that you can't see it when fitting the engine fully assembled as per the instructions, mine didn't fully seat, tipping the engine upwards slightly
Arrowed at the top are the 2 only lugged mounting points for the cradle, circled are where the 2 squared off section on the lower cradle go as you can see there's no slot for them to locate in! Arrowed at the very bottom is the 4th mounting point for the engine cradle that can't be seen if assembled as per the instructions and is a tight push fit.
From now on I'm going open very hole/slot I can and not follow the instructions, rather do it my way so to speak
Lets hope I can get this all back together and square

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2025 7:07 am
by Stokesy44
Such a shame when the kit fights you, especially after fine painting work and a good looking engine.
Sadly its often the price you pay with kits of this scale when you get a full engine. My recent 109F was the same. The engine was never square and the nose cowlings had to be properly manhandled into position to 'muscle' the engine so it allowed the cowlings to join each other properly.
It just shows how perfectly aligned everything is on the real thing.
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2025 10:39 am
by digger303
Damn, getting all the components to line up as in the cad drawing is really different when you have to actually do it.
To make things a little concerning for me is I have the A-6 variant and it surely won't line up either.
I hope you start having a easier go of it soon.

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2026 12:26 pm
by Kevthemodeller
Stokesy44 wrote: Fri Nov 21, 2025 7:07 am
Such a shame when the kit fights you, especially after fine painting work and a good looking engine.
Sadly its often the price you pay with kits of this scale when you get a full engine. My recent 109F was the same. The engine was never square and the nose cowlings had to be properly manhandled into position to 'muscle' the engine so it allowed the cowlings to join each other properly.
It just shows how perfectly aligned everything is on the real thing.
Very true mate, it just highlights how good Tamiya 1/32 kit really are
digger303 wrote: Fri Nov 21, 2025 10:39 am
Damn, getting all the components to line up as in the cad drawing is really different when you have to actually do it.
To make things a little concerning for me is I have the A-6 variant and it surely won't line up either.
I hope you start having a easier go of it soon.

Mate the kits are identical just some extra parts for my A8 and decals more on that next, decals I mean

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2026 1:13 pm
by Kevthemodeller
Christmas and New Year, Oh Happy New Year everybody

put pay to any bench time, I did do some leading up to Christmas and straight away ran into yet more issues
Decals No's 38 & 39 on the instructions aren't in the kit
They look like
THIS when applied
Strangely they are in the earlier A6 kit Digger has although I don't think the Moritz 44 variant can be built as it's an A7-8 which is my kit

More Chinese cock ups I think

I have contacted Border stating the obvious, but I'm not holding my breath for a response
So I've bought the earlier A6 kit, which I wanted all along but couldn't get one last March when I bought my kit. So I will have another FW190 to build
So back to the build and cammo is going on

Yet more decal issues

they are so thin and brittle they tear or rather crack as you slide them off the backing paper or manoeuvre them

Repaired now
Now awaiting the A6 kit for the missing decals

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2026 9:17 am
by Tomcat64
Just caught up on all of this Kev, another build thread that's been sat on my "need to read" list for wayyy too long.
You've done a cracking job on this given all the challenges that Border have thrown at you - the engine unit looks absolutely superb (if you can remember that far back).
Oversized sprue gates are a real bugbear of mine, especially when you can't see clearly where the gate finishes and the teeny parts begin in some cases.
The camo looks great

Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2026 2:36 pm
by digger303
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2026 8:16 pm
by Quax
Looks great although it’s a real issue with the decals especially with it being 1/35 and you can’t easily use a 1/32 decal set to replace them as you can on other kits
Paul
Re: Border Model Focke-Wulf FW190A-8 R2 - 8
Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2026 10:48 am
by cor
Gotta get me one of those wooden holder things