To Airfix (a personal message)...

Post by **Lee** » Sun May 25, 2014 6:48 pm

Never, ever, EVER again will you EVER get any of my hard earned cash - NEVER....

That is all!

Post by **Paul** » Sun May 25, 2014 6:55 pm

What's up now

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheBenc1234 · Post by **benc123** » Sun May 25, 2014 6:56 pm

What's happened?

Post by **chief5437** » Sun May 25, 2014 7:01 pm

Lol!! What you bought now, a rebox of a rebox of a rebox?!

Post by **Neils** » Sun May 25, 2014 7:14 pm

Maybe he finished his Javelin and it broke?

Just wondering if the resolve will hold firm once the 1:24 typhoon is out

Post by **ForbesHutton** » Sun May 25, 2014 7:16 pm

Is this the big super secret announcement we waited for?

I rate it 0 out of 5....

BTW I feel the same about that Italian company. They should stick to making ice cream and sleazy cars.

Post by **Daishi12** » Sun May 25, 2014 7:59 pm

Don't tell me you got the He-111?

Post by **ForbesHutton** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:06 pm

Lee wrote:Never, ever, EVER again will you EVER get any of my hard earned cash - NEVER....

That is all!

Post by **trekfanj** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:12 pm

Funny; I said the same thing about Dragon a while back.

Post by **chief5437** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:14 pm

Blimey, that must've been bad! I can understand Airfix, but Dragon?

Post by **trekfanj** » Sun May 25, 2014 11:19 pm

chief5437 wrote:Blimey, that must've been bad! I can understand Airfix, but Dragon?

Well, it was mostly the instructions (it was the SdKfz. 251/10 with armor); there were a couple of parts that weren't mentioned in one step and then shown in the next and it was like, "Huh? Where'd that come from?" and I just hate DS tracks with a blood-red passion.

Dragon's kits are fine; it's their instructions that suck.

Post by **chief5437** » Sun May 25, 2014 11:40 pm

Lol! I feel your pain! Those destructions can be vague some times! PITA!

Mon May 26, 2014 12:12 am

What gets me with Airfix is that they sell some crap kits with load of build issues yet they advertise themselves as a manufacturer for a beginner.

It annoys me how they sell some of the least beginner friendly kits at a beginner friendly price and Tamiya sell some of the most beginner friendly kits at a non-beginner friendly price.

Post by **chief5437** » Mon May 26, 2014 12:53 am

It would be good if all the different modelling forums got together and petitioned Airfix to get rid of the old sh;te they are selling. I can't believe it's even legal to sell this sub standard crap! Is there a lawyer in the house? Lol!

Post by **Lee** » Mon May 26, 2014 1:03 am

This isn't about they're old shite, it's about they're new shite!

Post by **Lego** » Mon May 26, 2014 1:16 am

It is a agreed Airfix is shite!

Post by **chief5437** » Mon May 26, 2014 3:36 am

Lee wrote:This isn't about they're old shite, it's about they're new shite!

More problems with the Javelin?! I must say, the only new tool I've done is the lightning, and it was mint. Can't comment on the rest of the new stuff. But I still say they should be strung up by the £&@£s for selling the old stuff in new boxes!

Post by **SteveW** » Mon May 26, 2014 8:31 am

Come on Lee spill the beans. Talking these things through might help lower the blood pressure. A problem shares is a problem halved as they say and on here there should be enough to make it all go away

Post by **Johni044** » Mon May 26, 2014 8:37 am

Drop tanks?

Post by **Apple** » Mon May 26, 2014 9:23 am

Flash on Airfix kits?

That can't be...

Post by **johnpd** » Mon May 26, 2014 12:46 pm

Know the feeling pal. Absolutely disgraceful

Post by **Lee** » Mon May 26, 2014 1:14 pm

It'll be easier for me to explain in the news show so, I'll do it in my build section. Still absolutely fuming!

Post by **chief5437** » Mon May 26, 2014 1:21 pm

Man you're such a tease!

Post by **schweinhund227** » Mon May 26, 2014 2:01 pm

It took you a really long time to come to that decision !!!

Care to explain ?

Post by **rodrant** » Mon May 26, 2014 7:36 pm

Hmmmm...Fancy new Box , old sprue inside ( no , that is very common situation...)
New sprues inside , a lot of flash ( no , also common ...)
Buy the 1/24 Typhoon and discover that less 10 £ in emodels site in prelaunch ( Could be ...)

The decals or the instructions on the Javelin are incomplete or miss ...and now asked for them they will charge the delivery ...(Maybe...)

ah I give up ....

waiting for the ISM show , and yes Lee , this looks like a suspense film here !

Post by **5Craven** » Mon May 26, 2014 9:50 pm

I'm guessing that he's completed all the painting and decaling on the Javelin and has come to fit the wheels, drop tanks and missiles and at least one of these doesn't fit. If that was me I would be pretty enraged as well.

Post by **chief5437** » Mon May 26, 2014 10:00 pm

Nah, he's misplaced the tub of doom with all the wheels in. Airfix said 'sorry, we no longer make those parts. How long does it take you to finish a kit?!' Lol! Sorry Lee xx

Post by **MarkVerploeg** » Mon May 26, 2014 10:26 pm

chief5437 wrote:Nah, he's misplaced the tub of doom with all the wheels in. Airfix said 'sorry, we no longer make those parts. How long does it take you to finish a kit?!' Lol! Sorry Lee xx

but a bit cruel

Post by **chief5437** » Mon May 26, 2014 10:58 pm

Just some gentle ribbing! We love Lee really! "Eugh!"

Post by **muskegman** » Tue May 27, 2014 3:43 am

I can't wait to find out what happened it must be something really horrific, the suspense is killing me

Post by **Neils** » Tue May 27, 2014 10:12 am

Actually I think it's all a trick to get us to watch the news show

Post by **moi196872** » Tue May 27, 2014 3:10 pm

It's what we call marketing ploy, get us all excited !!!

Post by **Lee** » Tue May 27, 2014 4:28 pm

....lol

Post by **chief5437** » Tue May 27, 2014 4:39 pm

It's working!

Post by **DBMiller** » Wed May 28, 2014 1:38 pm

Maybe I should get out the popcorn for this one!

Post by **chief5437** » Wed May 28, 2014 2:09 pm

Careful with the popcorn, it'll have gone bad by the time 'it's' announced! Lol!

Post by **DesertAAModeller** » Thu May 29, 2014 11:03 pm

Maybe Airfix sent him a truck full of kits so Lee won't need to give them his money anymore.

Post by **LudvigN** » Thu May 29, 2014 11:12 pm

DesertAAModeller wrote:Maybe Airfix sent him a truck full of kits so Lee won't need to give them his money anymore.

THIS!

Post by **ForbesHutton** » Thu May 29, 2014 11:27 pm

Nawh, he's given up on airplanes and has switched to armor. Dragon now holds the deed to his house and one kidney.

Post by **Lee** » Thu May 29, 2014 11:30 pm

ForbesHutton wrote:Nawh, he's given up on airplanes and has switched to armor. Dragon now holds the deed to his house and one kidney.

You're not far wrong...lol

Post by **Neils** » Fri May 30, 2014 8:12 am

Lee wrote:
ForbesHutton wrote:Nawh, he's given up on airplanes and has switched to armor. Dragon now holds the deed to his house and one kidney.
You're not far wrong...lol

Maybe he's started his Dora railway gun kit so wont have time to do any Airfix kits for the next 20 years..

Post by **Neils** » Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:11 am

Just seen the news show as to the cause of all the grief

aren't the decals by Cartograf rather than Airfix's own? Perhaps it was a duff sheet made by Cartograf and all Airfix do is go here's the design go make it and when it's done just stuff it in the box?

I did the javelin in the other scheme, and didn't have an issue with the positions of the tail band or the tail stripe, so perhaps its an error with that scheme? Settling was ok too on my set, although I did run into messiness with the roundels on the upper wing too .. Grrr

So just like the hole being missing in the top decal would be Airfix's fault, could the general lack of settling etc be down to Cartograf?

Whenever there is a third party involved it's always hard to nail down who is at fault, could it be purely Airfix's because they should have checked every sheet,maybe Cartograf converted airfix's designs wrong, or is it Cartograf for producing that particular sheet, or did Airfix like we do assumed cartograf's awesome reputation and just let them get on with it.. We'll never know

Controversial view I know, but hey it's a Thursday and nearly the weekend

Ps I'm no airfix fanboy. They and others do make and repackage some really nasty kits, but I dunno seems like Cartograf should get some flack too

Dunno. When all said and done though it's horrible to work so hard on something and be let down by something that is totally out of your control

Post by **Pierce** » Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:32 pm

Regardless if the decals are third party Airfax is ultimately responsible for what they put in their kit. They should have had quality control and test the decal. if the decals turned out to be crap Airfax should have called the third party and had the issues fix. The buck stops with Airfax.

Post by **Johni044** » Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:14 pm

Strange I've seen a few builds of this kit on various forums but no mention of issues with the decals. Currently making it myself so I'll get back with my experience.

Post by **Neils** » Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:35 pm

Pierce wrote:Regardless if the decals are third party Airfax is ultimately responsible for what they put in their kit. They should have had quality control and test the decal. if the decals turned out to be crap Airfax should have called the third party and had the issues fix. The buck stops with Airfax.

(playing devil's advocate here..

)

That's how it *should* work. Question is:
1. Are Airfix/Cartograf in the process of having some of the design issues fixed?
2. Can Airfix/Cartograf afford to have them fixed? (e.g will it cause more damage to the business to fix them than not to)
3. Were the not setting issues a one off or is it every set?
4. Who is responsible for the mess up and so who would pay for the rework(was it an Airfix design fault or a cartograf mistake in producing the designs)
5. How have other companies dealt with poor setting, poorly designed decals? Is it just Airfix or do other companies have the same issue at some point in time?

Yes it's desperately annoying and I can totally understand the frustration (I would be spitting bullets also) but in my experience all companies have issues like this, it's how they deal with them that's the issue.

My personal view is that all companies wont go back and fix design issues unless the answer to question 2 is yes.

Post by **chief5437** » Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:36 pm

Buy the 1/76 panther instead, it's awesome!! Lol!

Post by **Desertfish** » Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:12 pm

Just watched the show and I felt for you Lee. It doesn't matter if the issue is with Airfix or Cartograf. It also doesn't matter if others have had similar problems with this kit or not. The point is, if you've put your heart and soul into a build, having to deal with these kinds of problems so close to the finish line is gutting. I hope you find a solution for the decal problem. Maybe just spend that weekend in Mallorca first and then try and tackle the problem with a fresh eye and mind.

P.S.; Loved the news section though. If you call that soft cheese, I wonder what next months full fat cheese will be like. I just hope that when it comes to it, you have more luck building that Roden Vomit-7 thing than you had trying to pronounce its name... I'm still laughing at that one. Thanks for making my day.

Post by **Willem** » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:41 pm

chief5437 wrote:Buy the 1/76 panther instead, it's awesome!! Lol!

On the strength of your recommendation and your lovely build Chief, I have just ordered 3 Airfix Sherman Ausf Zs.

Post by **chief5437** » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:05 pm

Willem wrote:
chief5437 wrote:Buy the 1/76 panther instead, it's awesome!! Lol!
On the strength of your recommendation and your lovely build Chief, I have just ordered 3 Airfix Sherman Ausf Zs.

Lol!!!!!!!

Post by **Colin** » Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:53 pm

I should like Airfix as I'm British but I've always found them awkward and stubborn in many ways ... I'm not trying to bias anyones opinion in any way at all but I've thought this for a long time and fair play to anyone that loves what Airfix do ... I'm not gonna knock you for it.

They come out with some interesting subjects in all their unusual scales though.

When Airfix first started 1/24 scale aircraft it was a big thing when I was a wee boy back in those times ... early 70's or very late 60's at least and to be honest their first 1/24 kits were no more than toys with retractable undercarriage gimmics and stuff most of us would not entertain anymore.

Airfix did get better though for big scale Aircraft kits, but ever so slowly ... I think it was their 1/24 Hurricane (early 80's ?) before I finally admitted respect for them, that was a nice kit and in many ways ground breaking for its time. The only example of their 1/24 series I've not built is the Mosquito ... soon to be Typhoon too.
What used to grate me when asking the question on various large scale aircraft model forums is why Airfix cant switch to the more popular 1/32 scale too and the stock answer from the Airfix enthusiast fan boy club is ... its not a scale they do ... but it *is* a scale they do, just not in Aircraft.

Airfix even got awkward in doing armour in 1/32 when the industry switched to 1/35 I think it is.

Lol.

I'm sure there is a certain degree of stubbornness with Airfix/Hornby, I still cant quantify it yet though.