New Kit Releases and Wish Lists

[RangerNeil]

Yeah the TIE Bomber certainly grabbed my attention too - it's been on my want list forever.

I'd also be tempted with the UFO Shado Mobile; given that MPC recently brought out the 1/72 Space 1999 Eagles & Hawk I'm wondering if they've got the Anderson entertainment licence in which case we might see additional releases from UFO such as the moonbase interceptors, SID & Sky-Diver etc

I'm also hoping that they bring out the Eagle Freighter with the atomic waste cans in 1/72 since they've already released the 1/48 version.

Can you imagine the size of SkyDiver in 1/72. Moonbase Interceptors would be good - especially if they came on a launch bad base. So would the Lunar transporter and mothership, Strakers car, the Lunar hopper and Shadair transporter.
If MPC do have the licence then maybe the future will hold the vehicles from Captain Scarlet and Stingray - someone else seems to have the Thunderbirds licence already.

[Kevthemodeller]

Couple of new release shots from Border. Both in 1/35. The Lightning is a new one on me.

Love the 262 but it being Border puts me off I'd go for a Tamiya or another plenty out there. Admittedly not in 1/35.

[Stokesy44]

Couple of new release shots from Border. Both in 1/35. The Lightning is a new one on me.

Love the 262 but it being Border puts me off I'd go for a Tamiya or another plenty out there. Admittedly not in 1/35.

I agree, its a bit of a worry re Border. You would hope a new tool would be accurate, not just in terms of fit but in terms of accuracy to the real thing. I took one look at their Mk V Spit and thought, NOPE, rear fuselage is wrong, its looks like something from Trumpeter 25 years ago. Unforgivable.

[Stokesy44]

Oh yeah !



Get your pre orders in now.

You beat me to it mate. Some great stuff coming from your cousins across the Tasman.

[Stokesy44]

Yeah the TIE Bomber certainly grabbed my attention too - it's been on my want list forever.

I'd also be tempted with the UFO Shado Mobile; given that MPC recently brought out the 1/72 Space 1999 Eagles & Hawk I'm wondering if they've got the Anderson entertainment licence in which case we might see additional releases from UFO such as the moonbase interceptors, SID & Sky-Diver etc

I'm also hoping that they bring out the Eagle Freighter with the atomic waste cans in 1/72 since they've already released the 1/48 version.

Can you imagine the size of SkyDiver in 1/72. Moonbase Interceptors would be good - especially if they came on a launch bad base. So would the Lunar transporter and mothership, Strakers car, the Lunar hopper and Shadair transporter.
If MPC do have the licence then maybe the future will hold the vehicles from Captain Scarlet and Stingray - someone else seems to have the Thunderbirds licence already.

Blimey, between the two of you I'm calling a full on 4 alarm Geek Attack here. Love it

[Stokesy44]

We've had a bit of a downer on Border recently due to failings in their new tool releases but the He 111 looks like something else. Hopefully the kit lives up to the hype.

[digger303]

We've had a bit of a downer on Border recently due to failings in their new tool releases but the He 111 looks like something else. Hopefully the kit lives up to the hype.

It looks incredible, but at $200 a shot it better be. I hope they at least have the exterior down pat.

[Stokesy44]

We've had a bit of a downer on Border recently due to failings in their new tool releases but the He 111 looks like something else. Hopefully the kit lives up to the hype.

It looks incredible, but at $200 a shot it better be. I hope they at least have the exterior down pat.

Agree. I am seriously considering a stash sale as I have kits that I am beginning to think I may never build. There's a load of new releases I fancy but I can justify the £££

[Kevthemodeller]

We've had a bit of a downer on Border recently due to failings in their new tool releases but the He 111 looks like something else. Hopefully the kit lives up to the hype.

I'm not convinced, like the FW, Spitfire and 109 they appear to be up/down scaled Trumpeter kits. It could be the same for this with extras, I think I'll wait.

I must say it does look a great kit and the cost would put it cheaper than other 1/32 offerings of bombers but like most things that are cheaper, its cheaper for a reason.

[Stokesy44]

I'm not convinced, like the FW, Spitfire and 109 they appear to be up/down scaled Trumpeter kits. It could be the same for this with extras, I think I'll wait.

I must say it does look a great kit and the cost would put it cheaper than other 1/32 offerings of bombers but like most things that are cheaper, its cheaper for a reason.

Best option is probably to wait for a decent build review. Inbox reviews are worthless as a real test so I hope someone builds it soon. I just like the idea of being able to see all that detail in the nose section due to all the glazing. Its what put me off the Lancaster when it came out. You don't get to see most of the great detail once its built. There was also the minor matters of the price and the space needed.

[Stokesy44]

Some great new releases here. Aircraft in 1/48, 1/32 and 1/35.

Das Werk have a Me 262 coming in 1/32 while Border Models has one in 1/35. It never rains......

[Stokesy44]

RANT INBOUND

I made a comment a little while back that if you set yourself up as a reviewer of kits on Youtube then you should be able to go a little bit further than what the instructions look like and and how good the plastic looks.

Surely a kit review should include an opinion on accuracy. I'm not talking 'Adam Mann' levels of expertise like he shows with the Tiger 1 but at least have something to say about whether the plastic is accurate and whether the final model will be. Is that too much to ask?

I've just watched an unboxing review of the new 1/35 He 111 from Border and despite being quite detailed, there's not one mention about accuracy.

I normally don't watch this guy's stuff but since it was about a kit I'm interested in I thought I would give it a go. I should have stayed away.

What do you think? What do you want from a review? If you think I'm being unreasonable, please feel free to say so. I'm feeling feisty so bring it on!

[Kevthemodeller]

Sadly YouTube is a growing source of income and for some a great deal of it, all it takes is views or clicks. Many on there nowadays use AI, to plagiarize serious work, a lot of WW2 or history in general, motorcycling, cars, DIY you name it is this utter crap. Some of it is just dam right dangerous. It's click bait, more clicks/views better still comments more they earn, it's just money.

I would advise you look for the long standing established channels. Avoid the latest influx of reviewers with prolific reviews over a short time.

[Stokesy44]

Sadly YouTube is a growing source of income and for some a great deal of it, all it takes is views or clicks. Many on there nowadays use AI, to plagiarize serious work, a lot of WW2 or history in general, motorcycling, cars, DIY you name it is this utter crap. Some of it is just dam right dangerous. It's click bait, more clicks/views better still comments more they earn, it's just money.

I would advise you look for the long standing established channels. Avoid the latest influx of reviewers with prolific reviews over a short time.

As an antidote to all the garbage that's out there have you seen any of the stuff being produced by Al Murray and James Holland? Their WW2 Walking The Ground series has been brilliant. So far they have done Normandy and and Holland and are currently doing the battle of the bulge in the Ardennes. They go to the actual sites and talk through the battles in terms of tactics, units and the human experience.

[Kevthemodeller]

Sadly YouTube is a growing source of income and for some a great deal of it, all it takes is views or clicks. Many on there nowadays use AI, to plagiarize serious work, a lot of WW2 or history in general, motorcycling, cars, DIY you name it is this utter crap. Some of it is just dam right dangerous. It's click bait, more clicks/views better still comments more they earn, it's just money.

I would advise you look for the long standing established channels. Avoid the latest influx of reviewers with prolific reviews over a short time.

As an antidote to all the garbage that's out there have you seen any of the stuff being produced by Al Murray and James Holland? Their WW2 Walking The Ground series has been brilliant. So far they have done Normandy and and Holland and are currently doing the battle of the bulge in the Ardennes. They go to the actual sites and talk through the battles in terms of tactics, units and the human experience.

Yes I have I've not started watching their latest as yet, they are a fine example of how it should be done. Proper research, in-depth information, actually visit and go round the sites etc. if you haven't already check this guy out TJ3 History, all based on talking/interviewing real veterans. If they're no longer with us in depth research of combat reports and debriefs. He uses top draw CGI to explain/relive their missions.

Another really in depth guy is WWII us bombers. He really goes into the weeds about tech on aircraft, weapon systems and their applications and performance, what worked/didn't and why. All backed up using real combat reports and later investigations, he shows the real stuff and absolutely no AI on either channel. There is a lot of really good stuff you've just got to learn how to widdle out to crap

[Stokesy44]

Howdy Pardners! Aint it a lovely day?

I've no idea why I've gone all American but hey, its Friday and if you cant have fun on a Friday, when can you?

Here's the latest from one of the channels I follow on YT. I really like this guy's stuff, its all content and no BS. There's loads of exciting new stuff coming out and make sure you're sitting down for the 1/16 announcement at the end. I'm not taking the blame for any accidents.

[RangerNeil]

I want that KV2 and the clear King Tiger!!
And that 1/16 Elefant is going to be freakin HUGE!

[Stokesy44]

I want that KV2 and the clear King Tiger!!
And that 1/16 Elefant is going to be freakin HUGE!

I'm surprised you didn't go for the ISU 152, looks a cracker.

[RangerNeil]

I want that KV2 and the clear King Tiger!!
And that 1/16 Elefant is going to be freakin HUGE!

I'm surprised you didn't go for the ISU 152, looks a cracker.

Mustn't be greedy - have to leave something for other modellers!!

[digger303]

Sadly YouTube is a growing source of income and for some a great deal of it, all it takes is views or clicks. Many on there nowadays use AI, to plagiarize serious work, a lot of WW2 or history in general, motorcycling, cars, DIY you name it is this utter crap. Some of it is just dam right dangerous. It's click bait, more clicks/views better still comments more they earn, it's just money.

I would advise you look for the long standing established channels. Avoid the latest influx of reviewers with prolific reviews over a short time.

Sage words indeed.

And I agree on what Stokesy says about reviews being genuine and should be helpful to other modellers instead of regurgitated instructions.
If only they could all take Terry Ashley's example and run with it. Unfortunately he no longer does reviews and all the old ones were taken down by him, a true loss of a resource.

[DRUMS01]

Indeed, it is very difficult to find a totally unbiased kit review. Many are the manufacturers review, others are from retailers who are trying to sell the product, and then there are professional reviewers who are paid by the company to review their kit. What we need is an unbiased modelers modeler with no skin in the game who just builds and reviews the finished item, covering mold quality, instructions, accuracy, fit and finish, etc.

I believe that every manufacturer looks at the kit as a business venture. What I means is all of the various design, mold engineering, manufacturing, quality, packaging, shipping, marketing, etc. Have to be factored in to each release. When it is all said and done, the cost of those components cannot exceed the value of the kit. And the value of the kit is determined in part, by its desire or ability to sell. Going full circle, the desire of the kit is directly connected to the mold quality, instructions, accuracy, fit and finish, etc.

[digger303]

Indeed, it is very difficult to find a totally unbiased kit review. Many are the manufacturers review, others are from retailers who are trying to sell the product, and then there are professional reviewers who are paid by the company to review their kit. What we need is an unbiased modelers modeler with no skin in the game who just builds and reviews the finished item, covering mold quality, instructions, accuracy, fit and finish, etc.

I believe that every manufacturer looks at the kit as a business venture. What I means is all of the various design, mold engineering, manufacturing, quality, packaging, shipping, marketing, etc. Have to be factored in to each release. When it is all said and done, the cost of those components cannot exceed the value of the kit. And the value of the kit is determined in part, by its desire or ability to sell. Going full circle, the desire of the kit is directly connected to the mold quality, instructions, accuracy, fit and finish, etc.

All the more reason not to jump in and pre order or buy as soon as released. Better to wait until some info is circulating and has gone beyond the ability of these companies to control the narrative.
With the exception being those companies who always release good quality kits, those you could take a chance on.

[Stokesy44]

Indeed, it is very difficult to find a totally unbiased kit review. Many are the manufacturers review, others are from retailers who are trying to sell the product, and then there are professional reviewers who are paid by the company to review their kit. What we need is an unbiased modelers modeler with no skin in the game who just builds and reviews the finished item, covering mold quality, instructions, accuracy, fit and finish, etc.

I believe that every manufacturer looks at the kit as a business venture. What I means is all of the various design, mold engineering, manufacturing, quality, packaging, shipping, marketing, etc. Have to be factored in to each release. When it is all said and done, the cost of those components cannot exceed the value of the kit. And the value of the kit is determined in part, by its desire or ability to sell. Going full circle, the desire of the kit is directly connected to the mold quality, instructions, accuracy, fit and finish, etc.

I think you have to look at Tamiya as the example for their business process. They release kits that mostly have mass appeal, they're well engineered and well researched. They're not the cheapest but they're also far from being the most expensive. In recent times they have released kits that are superb in terms of engineering. Their new releases in 1/32 and 1/48 are market leading kits and have been massive commercial successes.

Back to reviews, I put much more trust in reviewers that actually BUILD the kits. Andy from Andy's HHQ is one of these. Yes, he's a retailer and he's promoting his kits and his store but you get to watch the kit being built along with comments about things to be wary of along the way. He also doesn't waffle and his reviews are nicely paced.

At the end of the day, no one is forcing us to part with our hard earned cash, we would just like to be well informed first

[digger303]

Indeed, it is very difficult to find a totally unbiased kit review. Many are the manufacturers review, others are from retailers who are trying to sell the product, and then there are professional reviewers who are paid by the company to review their kit. What we need is an unbiased modelers modeler with no skin in the game who just builds and reviews the finished item, covering mold quality, instructions, accuracy, fit and finish, etc.

I believe that every manufacturer looks at the kit as a business venture. What I means is all of the various design, mold engineering, manufacturing, quality, packaging, shipping, marketing, etc. Have to be factored in to each release. When it is all said and done, the cost of those components cannot exceed the value of the kit. And the value of the kit is determined in part, by its desire or ability to sell. Going full circle, the desire of the kit is directly connected to the mold quality, instructions, accuracy, fit and finish, etc.

I think you have to look at Tamiya as the example for their business process. They release kits that mostly have mass appeal, they're well engineered and well researched. They're not the cheapest but they're also far from being the most expensive. In recent times they have released kits that are superb in terms of engineering. Their new releases in 1/32 and 1/48 are market leading kits and have been massive commercial successes.

Back to reviews, I put much more trust in reviewers that actually BUILD the kits. Andy from Andy's HHQ is one of these. Yes, he's a retailer and he's promoting his kits and his store but you get to watch the kit being built along with comments about things to be wary of along the way. He also doesn't waffle and his reviews are nicely paced.

At the end of the day, no one is forcing us to part with our hard earned cash, we would just like to be well informed first

YEP

[Twokidsnosleep]

I don’t think you can really review a kit properly until you have built it up fully
The fit and finish, the instructions, the engineering, quality control etc etc….
I have some great looking kit boxes with absolute shite plastic inside them

That being said, I do like what Davis is doing here, exposing us to new kits available.

[Stokesy44]

I don’t think you can really review a kit properly until you have built it up fully
The fit and finish, the instructions, the engineering, quality control etc etc….
I have some great looking kit boxes with absolute shite plastic inside them

That being said, I do like what Davis is doing here, exposing us to new kits available.

And even then, sometimes you can watch a build review and the reviewer doesn't pick up on inaccuracies of the kit. I think some people are just not fussed about the accuracy issue, its more about does the kit go together well.

At the end of the day, you pays your money and you takes your choice.

[digger303]

I don’t think you can really review a kit properly until you have built it up fully
The fit and finish, the instructions, the engineering, quality control etc etc….
I have some great looking kit boxes with absolute shite plastic inside them

That being said, I do like what Davis is doing here, exposing us to new kits available.

And even then, sometimes you can watch a build review and the reviewer doesn't pick up on inaccuracies of the kit. I think some people are just not fussed about the accuracy issue, its more about does the kit go together well.

At the end of the day, you pays your money and you takes your choice.

Probably applies to the newer kits more than the older ones as undoubtedly someone would have researched and alerted us to inaccuracies in older kits, but your right it's fit first.

[DRUMS01]

Exactly what all of you said....

[Stokesy44]

Sorry there's not been much of anything new for a while. My usual sources seem to have dried up for now but hopefully with April just around the corner they will be emerging from winter slumber with some new stuff.

I saw Arma Hobby have a 1/72 Me 262 out. New releases from them in 1/72 are usually a precursor for a release in 1/48 so here's hoping - and the same for their recently released 1/72 P51.

[digger303]

While not a lot atm you did miss this one from mdesign in 1/32 and all the way from Bulgaria
Roland D.II Limited Edition

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[DRUMS01]

Did anyone see the video from the Nuremburg Toy and Model Fair concerning the new Revell of Germany kits (and re-releases)? One that surprised me was an updated re-release of the C-17A Globemaster in 1:144 with a detailed interior. There's also the re-release of the B-52 with X15 in 1:72. A 1:48 Euro-Fighter with a WW2 invasion stripe paint and decal set, also one in 1:32 scale. 1:32 Hawker Hunter looks nice too. 1:72 Junkers JU290A Seeadler, and a very nice looking 1:72 Handley Page Halifax B Mk III. Re-Release 1:32 Heinkel HE-111 with updated parts, decals, etc.

For car's they have 2 1:20 F1 kits, one McLaren and another Red Bull. There's also a 75th aniversary re-release of the 1:16 Porsche 356 Coupe.

For the firefighter people, they have a 1:24 GLFL Simba 8X8 with Frankfurt Airport markings.

How about a 1:87 Orient Express steam locomotive with tender and two cars.

1:400 Queen Mary Luxury Liner, and a 1:87 New York Fire Fighter Boat with over 260 parts. Last is a re-release of the 1:388 Great Eastern, first steam ship.



I'm not completely sure of quality of the kits, but I have had some very nice Revell of Germany kits, and some Revell of the USA (older kits) that were terrible.

[Stokesy44]

Did anyone see the video from the Nuremburg Toy and Model Fair concerning the new Revell of Germany kits (and re-releases)? One that surprised me was an updated re-release of the C-17A Globemaster in 1:144 with a detailed interior. There's also the re-release of the B-52 with X15 in 1:72. A 1:48 Euro-Fighter with a WW2 invasion stripe paint and decal set, also one in 1:32 scale. 1:32 Hawker Hunter looks nice too. 1:72 Junkers JU290A Seeadler, and a very nice looking 1:72 Handley Page Halifax B Mk III. Re-Release 1:32 Heinkel HE-111 with updated parts, decals, etc.

For car's they have 2 1:20 F1 kits, one McLaren and another Red Bull. There's also a 75th aniversary re-release of the 1:16 Porsche 356 Coupe.

For the firefighter people, they have a 1:24 GLFL Simba 8X8 with Frankfurt Airport markings.

How about a 1:87 Orient Express steam locomotive with tender and two cars.

1:400 Queen Mary Luxury Liner, and a 1:87 New York Fire Fighter Boat with over 260 parts. Last is a re-release of the 1:388 Great Eastern, first steam ship.

I'm not completely sure of quality of the kits, but I have had some very nice Revell of Germany kits, and some Revell of the USA (older kits) that were terrible.

Lots of interesting stuff. How about that Platinum edition of the Titanic? Looked stunning. And another big scale Me 262, that makes 3 due out this year (Das Werk and Border). The Hunter looked good too, a lot more cockpit detail than Revell are known for.

I didn't see it in the video but I really like the idea of the Orient Express kit. I've loved the movies so I would really take a look at that kit.

[Stokesy44]

Here's something for all you Tamiya lovers out there (myself included).

Tamiya's 2026 Catalogue! Yeah baby.



If you can't find anything you like in here then maybe check your pulse dude, cos you just might be dead

[Stokesy44]

Here's some more new stuff from the Nuremberg Toy Fair



Some real wallet wobbelers in the video

[Stokesy44]

And the hits just keep on coming. Watch till the end if a new 1/32 aircraft kit manufacturer might tickle your fancy

[DRUMS01]

The Sea Fury looks amazing in1/32....I really like the color options as well.

[RangerNeil]

The Sea Fury looks amazing in1/32....I really like the color options as well.

I'll second that!! No idea where I'll put it but the wallet is a-twitching....

[Stokesy44]

The Sea Fury looks amazing in1/32....I really like the color options as well.

I'll second that!! No idea where I'll put it but the wallet is a-twitching....

There seems to be a real renaissance in 1/32 WWII subjects with Kotare, Das Werk, DBMK and Airscale (super expensive) among the manufacturers bringing new releases to the market.

Long may it continue!!

[RangerNeil]

The Sea Fury looks amazing in1/32....I really like the color options as well.

I'll second that!! No idea where I'll put it but the wallet is a-twitching....

There seems to be a real renaissance in 1/32 WWII subjects with Kotare, Das Werk, DBMK and Airscale (super expensive) among the manufacturers bringing new releases to the market.

Long may it continue!!

Indeed - although I'd love to see Inter-War and Cold War represented too. I guess these aren't as marketable though.....

[cor]

Those Revell kits look very cool

[Stokesy44]

Indeed - although I'd love to see Inter-War and Cold War represented too. I guess these aren't as marketable though.....

I think inter war would be a very tough sell as there's no real context or event to hang a release on. Its certainly not something I would go for but I can only speak for myself.

Cold war gives you all the context you need but once you get out of the 1950s with aircraft like the F86, the early Migs and the early British jets you start running up against size issues. The Phantom was as long as a B17 so maybe the manufacturers are shy of what a kit like that might cost. We know Tamiya released a stable of big jets but that was 30 years ago and there's been nothing since. Also, with modern manufacturing, Tamiya's 1/48 kits have more detail than those kits so perhaps they feel there's no need for them?

I know a guy who ONLY builds Phantoms so there is demand out there. How many modelers are ex-services and have a direct affinity with these jets? Surely there's a market there?

Much to think about. More coffee is needed

[digger303]

Indeed - although I'd love to see Inter-War and Cold War represented too. I guess these aren't as marketable though.....

I think inter war would be a very tough sell as there's no real context or event to hang a release on. Its certainly not something I would go for but I can only speak for myself.

Cold war gives you all the context you need but once you get out of the 1950s with aircraft like the F86, the early Migs and the early British jets you start running up against size issues. The Phantom was as long as a B17 so maybe the manufacturers are shy of what a kit like that might cost. We know Tamiya released a stable of big jets but that was 30 years ago and there's been nothing since. Also, with modern manufacturing, Tamiya's 1/48 kits have more detail than those kits so perhaps they feel there's no need for them?

I know a guy who ONLY builds Phantoms so there is demand out there. How many modelers are ex-services and have a direct affinity with these jets? Surely there's a market there?

Much to think about. More coffee is needed

If a manufacturer just relies on the demand from ex-services, who were ex air force, from aircraft from 30yrs ago and who are modellers the numbers might not stack up for long.

[Stokesy44]

If a manufacturer just relies on the demand from ex-services, who were ex air force, from aircraft from 30yrs ago and who are modellers the numbers might not stack up for long.

That's fair. I'm just trying to think where the interest comes from. The jet age is such a long period versus say WWII, its hard to see where the concentration points are.

One thing I would say is I have joined a local modeler group and we meet on Tuesday afternoons at the group admin's house for build sessions. I'm the youngest one there by at least 10 years (except the admin who is only a few years older than me) and everyone there had first hand experience as either a mechanic or crew on the various kits they were building.

I'm building a 1/35 PzIV at the sessions so I assume they think I'm 110 years old and German!

[digger303]

If a manufacturer just relies on the demand from ex-services, who were ex air force, from aircraft from 30yrs ago and who are modellers the numbers might not stack up for long.

That's fair. I'm just trying to think where the interest comes from. The jet age is such a long period versus say WWII, its hard to see where the concentration points are.

One thing I would say is I have joined a local modeler group and we meet on Tuesday afternoons at the group admin's house for build sessions. I'm the youngest one there by at least 10 years (except the admin who is only a few years older than me) and everyone there had first hand experience as either a mechanic or crew on the various kits they were building.

I'm building a 1/35 PzIV at the sessions so I assume they think I'm 110 years old and German!

[Stokesy44]

Here's some lovely new stuff if you fancy a wingy thingy in 1/72 or 1/144

[digger303]

A lot of people might like this Van from AK, I certainly do.

[Stokesy44]

A lot of people might like this Van from AK, I certainly do.

Yep, can't beat variety. I would encourage anyone to post new kit info on this thread. Who knows, something you post could be someone else's dream kit!

[Stokesy44]

More new wallet worriers in the attached video. Keep an eye out for some gorgeous ship and boat kits. Stunning stuff if that's what floats your boat!

[RangerNeil]

A lot of people might like this Van from AK, I certainly do.

There are quite a few possibilities with this one given the number of them used for catering etc.

[RangerNeil]

More new wallet worriers in the attached video. Keep an eye out for some gorgeous ship and boat kits. Stunning stuff if that's what floats your boat!

That Moskva is definitely interesting!!! Does one build it afloat? Or at the bottom of the Black Sea? The latter option would make one hell of a diorama.....