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Comparison of WNW Kit Hispano Suiza engine (L)vs Roden Woseley Viper engine (R)





Kit in place





Viper in place





Heads on the viper are longer though the block fits in nicely. It would need some surgery to the engine cover to fit
The radiator would be different as the viper engine directly drives the prop and the Hisso has a gearbox drive to the prop

big difference in the two engines, Roden does look very basic. I wonder what the Roden kit supplied engine is like compared to what I assumed to be an upgrade by Roden. It must be like non existent.



Thinking about that last thought above, prompted me to have a look at some rodens in my stash.
Particularly Wolsely Viper equipped S.E.5a. which is a recent enough tooling. On opening I found No stand alone engine at all, just some exhausts and a radiator. Only what could be seen from a distance.
Chalk and cheese.

digger303 wrote: Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:12 am big difference in the two engines, Roden does look very basic. I wonder what the Roden kit supplied engine is like compared to what I assumed to be an upgrade by Roden. It must be like non existent.



Thinking about that last thought above, prompted me to have a look at some rodens in my stash.
Particularly Wolsely Viper equipped S.E.5a. which is a recent enough tooling. On opening I found No stand alone engine at all, just some exhausts and a radiator. Only what could be seen from a distance.
Chalk and cheese.

The detail of this Roden kit is good, in fact it is a more detailed engine than the WNW with extra little parts and bits
But the mouldings are not as nice, crisp and fitted. More flash, weird fittings...more like a normal model kit. The WNW does live up to its hype.
I think the viper will build out to be a smashing good engine with a bit of massaging along the way

I wouldn’t worry about the non engine in your SE5A.....you can’t see a whole lot with the engine covers on anyhow

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:27 am

digger303 wrote: Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:12 am big difference in the two engines, Roden does look very basic. I wonder what the Roden kit supplied engine is like compared to what I assumed to be an upgrade by Roden. It must be like non existent.



Thinking about that last thought above, prompted me to have a look at some rodens in my stash.
Particularly Wolsely Viper equipped S.E.5a. which is a recent enough tooling. On opening I found No stand alone engine at all, just some exhausts and a radiator. Only what could be seen from a distance.
Chalk and cheese.

The detail of this Roden kit is good, in fact it is a more detailed engine than the WNW with extra little parts and bits
But the mouldings are not as nice, crisp and fitted. More flash, weird fittings...more like a normal model kit. The WNW does live up to its hype.
I think the viper will build out to be a smashing good engine with a bit of massaging along the way

I wouldn’t worry about the non engine in your SE5A.....you can’t see a whole lot with the engine covers on anyhow

Yeah I know no one would be able to see much , but I fear( not really ) that the way they have molded it. It will look like the exhausts are just stuck in a recess rather than coming out of a compartment. Paint will have to provide a illusion. The WNW gear box is much nicer and the magneto ...guess thats what it is. Not that you can see them when it is closed up..

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:47 am Comparison of WNW Kit Hispano Suiza engine (L)vs Roden Woseley Viper engine (R)





Kit in place





Viper in place





Heads on the viper are longer though the block fits in nicely. The. Pier would need some surgery to the engine cover
The radiator would be different as the viper engine directly drives the prop and the Hisso has a gearbox drive to the prop

Some lovely work going on here Scott

I'm busily researching WNW kits at the moment, I've always had a real soft spot for WW1 aircraft all stems from the BBC series of the 70's called WIngs. From what I've read/seen and looking at my own WNW kits in my stash, I think they go for simple construction of high quality moulded parts, which is where the cost is. Of course they are going to be fiddly as by definition assembling a bi wing structure is going to be harder then mono wing. The real skill is in the preparation, painting and finish rigging etc, they're also extremely accurate and give (in most) variant options again all totally accurate.

Roden/Eduard and others although good don't offer the same level of quality, accuracy or scale as do WNW. Which will enable a relatively new modeller of very average skill level (such as myself) a chance to build a really looking model. With others not only is the quality, detail, scale and accuracy not there you've got to work a lot harder to achieve the same level of finish.

The latter mate you've certainty nailed she's just getting better and better

Lazy rainy Saturday morning, wife is away for the day...hey let’s make a video

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:06 pm Lazy rainy Saturday morning, wife is away for the day...hey let’s make a video

Oh that's

I wouldn't know where to start with something like that

Kevthemodeller wrote: Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:13 pm

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:06 pm Lazy rainy Saturday morning, wife is away for the day...hey let’s make a video

Oh that's

I wouldn't know where to start with something like that

It is so easy it isn’t even funny...literally five minutes. It is all a program on the iPad
The music is a tad dramatic...haven’t figured how to alter that yet
With a bit of forethought and refining they could look pretty sharp and professional.
I thought of Floppity ears productions during our soggy dog walk this morning

Had a good laugh at this....what exactly is colour “k”





The hockey guy in me remembers that Soviet players wore a K for Captain instead of a C


We all know the plumbing was copper, so ya that is the colour


OOoo my apologies, they have a little addendum slip that corrects the colour callouts.

Comparing Copper state resin figure vs Black Dog
Cost was the same, size is same but details a bit sharper on the Black Dog



They will all build out nicely

This past weekend I worked on the Roden 1/32 Wolseley Viper engine and got her done.
I think it will be part of a maintenance diorama if I can swing it.
So here she is fairly clean with just some fresh oil weathering

Now that's looking more like it, I was thinking it looked a bit basic before.

digger303 wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:43 am Now that's looking more like it, I was thinking it looked a bit basic before.

She needed a few tweaks, bits and bobs but came out fine.
I made water pipes from brass and oil lines from copper wire...as I broke the plastic kit ones.
The kit PE was good for the wiring so used that
It is a nicely moulded kit with good detail.... just needs drilling out of holes where things insert as parts need a slight massaging to seat fully in holes and such. I made a few pins to get the piping to sit properly rather than just have butt joints.

Your doing some great work there

The two engines are quiet a difference in size and well done for interpreting the dodgy instructions colour call out
Shouldn’t be long for primer going down

Great finish there Scott

Great work on the engine there mate

Hey, cheers guys for the moral support
My favourite part of the entire engine is the oil run/leak at the base of the drain.

That was AK Intereactive Fresh Engine oil

Tasty. Very tasty indeed Sir

Stokesy44 wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:26 pm Tasty. Very tasty indeed Sir

Cheers to you my good friend

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:28 pm

Stokesy44 wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:26 pm Tasty. Very tasty indeed Sir

Cheers to you my good friend

its amazing how dinky these WW1 engines look. Fast forward 20 years and engines were unrecognisable.

When I went to Shuttleworth last year with TC I was amazed by how flimsy the aircraft looked. At the time they were cutting edge but you could see the light through the wings, the canvas was so tight and thin. They had a couple of Hurricanes there and they looked like monsters compared to the WW1 fighters

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:12 pm Hey, cheers guys for the moral support
My favourite part of the entire engine is the oil run/leak at the base of the drain.

That was AK Intereactive Fresh Engine oil

Nice attention to detail , I'm a fan of AK 's engine oil and grease products used together. Just has the right amount of dirtiness.

I can tell that I have been away every ones builds are just flying.
I am thinking of doing a 1/48 plane when this is done so I might come to you for assistance with the wood work.
Cheers Scott.

pourquoi61 wrote: Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:47 pm I can tell that I have been away every ones builds are just flying.
I am thinking of doing a 1/48 plane when this is done so I might come to you for assistance with the wood work.
Cheers Scott.

It would be my absolute honour to assist in any way. Seriously
Happy to help with the wood...it is so easy it isn't even funny.
Leather too, just found a great way to do that in paint

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:20 pm

pourquoi61 wrote: Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:47 pm I can tell that I have been away every ones builds are just flying.
I am thinking of doing a 1/48 plane when this is done so I might come to you for assistance with the wood work.
Cheers Scott.

It would be my absolute honour to assist in any way. Seriously
Happy to help with the wood...it is so easy it isn't even funny.
Leather too, just found a great way to do that in paint

Thanks again.

As per usual with me, I on a sidetrack.....making parts for the extra fuselage

doing well creating two from one

Beautiful work on those engines Scott and loving the extra detail you're adding to the spare as well.

Really looking forward to how the whole diorama is going to come together.

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:16 am As per usual with me, I on a sidetrack.....making parts for the extra fuselage

You sir, are a steely-eyed-missile-man.

@bfrd Myopic-bleary-eyed-balding-man, yes
With a dodgy spine at the mo still

Cant get over how beautiful that fuselage colour is - stunning

Stokesy44 wrote: Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:24 pm Cant get over how beautiful that fuselage colour is - stunning

Yes, the oil paint is beautiful.
I keep fondling it whilst making parts and am sure to ruin it before I get it clear coated for decals

Lovely result with the oils Scott, you've really got the depth of colour spot on

Kevthemodeller wrote: Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:15 pm Lovely result with the oils Scott, you've really got the depth of colour spot on

Kev

Dodgy spine or not, good to see the WNW kits aren't wasted on you. Excellent work, can't wait for the rigging and how you tackle that.

digger303 wrote: Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:01 am Dodgy spine or not, good to see the WNW kits aren't wasted on you. Excellent work, can't wait for the rigging and how you tackle that.

That’s what puts me off doing one of these!

Stokesy44 wrote: Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:44 am

digger303 wrote: Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:01 am Dodgy spine or not, good to see the WNW kits aren't wasted on you. Excellent work, can't wait for the rigging and how you tackle that.

That’s what puts me off doing one of these!

bothers me too. but I'm going to dive into a Roden or Revel kit after Xmas and see how I go. Got the kits Just have to suck it up and get motivated.

Looks superb Scott, if you carry on being this good we'll have to handicap you like a race horse

Paul

Quax wrote: Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:43 pm Looks superb Scott, if you carry on being this good we'll have to handicap you like a race horse

Paul

He's already handicapped - he's from Canada

Me joko, love the guy to bits

Nice quiet Sunday morning making a tail...just me, Mark Knopfler and now Pink Floyd







Ticking away the moments that make up the dull day.....

Here is how much of all that internal detailing you see with the cowlings fit
Good thing I did all that detailing



And into primer finally

All that detailing does look SMICK . Real nice work !

digger303 wrote: Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:56 am All that detailing does look SMICK . Real nice work !

Thanks
I need that cool diamond sanding plate you have...would make it a lot easier keeping the tail square

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:30 am

digger303 wrote: Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:56 am All that detailing does look SMICK . Real nice work !

Thanks
I need that cool diamond sanding plate you have...would make it a lot easier keeping the tail square

Its 400 grit takes very little effort to polish afterwards.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/400-1000-Us ... 26016a5b99

I'm going to try to get a 300 grit for bigger jobs although you don't really want to remove to much too quick.

digger303 wrote: Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:06 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:30 am

digger303 wrote: Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:56 am All that detailing does look SMICK . Real nice work !

Thanks
I need that cool diamond sanding plate you have...would make it a lot easier keeping the tail square

Its 400 grit takes very little effort to polish afterwards.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/400-1000-Us ... 26016a5b99

I'm going to try to get a 300 grit for bigger jobs although you don't really want to remove to much too quick.

Excellent, thank you.
I got the double sided 400/1000 jobby for $10
I am sure if I toddled down to the El chepo tool store I could find it there, but it is a drive and the traffic and construction in the area has been stupid. I would rather spend my day doing my hobby stuff rather than driving around
So will wait until it ships from China

Stunning work Scoot, especially with the engine and the scratch building. Don't bother buying any more kits - just build your own!!

Lovely progress and great to see it under a coat of primer too.

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:22 pm Here is how much of all that internal detailing you see with the cowlings fit
Good thing I did all that detailing



And into primer finally

It would be criminal to cover that engine up completely.

Now that is a thing of beauty mate. Loving this

Coming together really nicely mate

Thanks everybody and to all
I have been working on parts for the second viper Se5a with the oil painted fuselage.



So far the tail, a cowling, cockpit seat and back have been made. Not sure how far I will push it for its display
I found a spare set of landing gear sans cross brace and wheels, so will see what I can do with that. There are a plenty of spare decals to decorate her up. All the wood in this viper fuselage is oil painted.



The proper WNW SE5a Hisso plane has the landing gear dry fitted as are all the cowlings and a coat of Ultimate gelb primer on her



Hopefully more to come this weekend. Absolutely a shitty stressful workweek