Any WWII Railway Experts Out There? Help Please.

[OneSmallStep1966]

I'm in the process of building Dragon's 1:35 Schwerer Plattformwagen Typ Ssy and have now completed the assembly, primed it in Ultimate Black and about to start final painting, but I'm confused about the metal chaises colour indicated in the instructions that state Mr Hobby Aqueous Color Acrylic H12 Flat Black.
I'd have thought German Grey (and most pictures of this model appear to be German Grey), so does anyone know for sure?

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[Kevthemodeller]

I'm no expert but I've found this, which my be of use, or give you links to other areas.
http://www.lzmodels.com/135-German-SSyl ... wagon.html

Seems to show them as black but the tank on it I would say is a Leopard so could be anytime from the 70's on wards, that said from my experience many military designs haven't changed much since they were invented. What I mean is how many ways can you move a tank on a railway and "if it works" why mess with it, so it's likely this is the very same design as WW2, all be it this may well be post war due to most having been destroyed or just worn out. From the period black and white photos it's hard to determine the colour other than it's dark. Some appear to be very dark which would suggest black, others not so these could be brown and lighter could be grey, I think it's possible they would be any of the above. I would also suggest they wouldn't be in the best condition especially late war possibly just red oxide over rusty areas or just rust!

[digger303]

I'm in the process of building Dragon's 1:35 Schwerer Plattformwagen Typ Ssy and have now completed the assembly, primed it in Ultimate Black and about to start final painting, but I'm confused about the metal chaises colour indicated in the instructions that state Mr Hobby Aqueous Color Acrylic H12 Flat Black.
I'd have thought German Grey (and most pictures of this model appear to be German Grey), so does anyone know for sure?



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I am no expert, but Libor is very knowledgable.
I have one of his early kits of the ssy flatcar 50t
HE says black is the way to go.

http://www.lzmodels.com/135-German-SSys ... wagen.html
http://www.lzmodels.com/35113/german_sc ... ctions.pdf scroll down to painting instructions after your gob smacked with his attention to detail


cheers
Ian

ps...if you email him. He will reply...nice guy.

[OneSmallStep1966]

Thanks for the input guys, it would seem black is the way to go

Does anyone know how close a match Ultimate Black Primer is to Mr Hobby H12?

[digger303]

sorry

[Kevthemodeller]

Does anyone know how close a match Ultimate Black Primer is to Mr Hobby H12?

I'm guessing your thinking just leave it in primer coat? I'm not sure that's a good idea not sure how it would react to weathering/decals etc, I'm no expert but I don't think I would do that, I'd top coat it.

[OneSmallStep1966]

I'm guessing your thinking just leave it in primer coat? I'm not sure that's a good idea not sure how it would react to weathering/decals etc, I'm no expert but I don't think I would do that, I'd top coat it.

I was just being lazy thinking I might get away with it but you're probably right, not a good idea to use Ultimate primer on its own

[digger303]

Thanks for the input guys, it would seem black is the way to go

Does anyone know how close a match Ultimate Black Primer is to Mr Hobby H12?

don't forget the red outline on certain parts.

[Vleugelmoer]

I think fellow member Mark Verploeg might be able to shed some light on this matter for you. I think he has done some research into Axis Railway Stock for one of his previous builds. I suggest sending him a PM If he doesn't reply to this thread.

As always happy modeling and keep sticking styrene.

Paul

[privatepete]

Hi old boy sorry just had to say it.
Have a look at YouTube, Andy's Hobby Headquarters might help

[OneSmallStep1966]

Hi old boy sorry just had to say it.
Have a look at YouTube, Andy's Hobby Headquarters might help

Thanks for that I did see his build and he used German Grey on the chassis, but so many others say Matt black. Very torn which way to go

[digger303]

really is black and red outline around the castings for levers.

[ForbesHutton]

Don't forget the contact areas of the rail and wheels would be plain steel.

[digger303]

this is the larger railcar for tigers 1
http://www.alanhamby.com/factory3.shtml....go to last pic. shows white signage aginst what could be a black chassis...very stark.

[OneSmallStep1966]

Thank you for the all the great information, its helped greatly and I will be painting my railcar black